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The Wonder of Game 7

It’s way too early to start talking about where Wednesday’s Game 7 ranks in baseball history.

But it’s in the conversation.

SportsWorld: The Wonder of Game 7

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  1. Dr. Doom says:

    Vaguely related:

    On the last Poscast, I was pretty disappointed that no one mentioned Jack Morris’ Game 7 performance. That would’ve been in my top-10, for sure. 10 innings of 7-hit, 2-walk ball with 8 Ks. Was Morris a Hall of Famer? Nah. But this performance is one of the great World Series performances, AND it came in Game 7.

    • SDG says:

      If this game were in a movie, no one would believe it. Also, Epstein’s team calling for a bunt? Francona’s IBBing twice? What was that?

      I was thinking, if there is ANY situation that calls for a sac bunt, this is it, right? Bottom of the 9th, tie game, runner on third, 2 strikes already. If that had worked, would it have been the first game-winning bunt in WS history, at least since McGraw was managing the Orioles?

    • MikeN says:

      Without that game, Jack Morris doesn’t make the Hall of Fame, even if they win but he was lifted in the 9th.

      • SDG says:

        Eh, I don’t know. I think the only player in the Hall who doesn’t make it without one final WS game is Bill Mazeroski. Morris is overrated on traditional stats, but I think sportswriters liked him because he had this cowboy, man’s man image. He FELT like an intimidating pitcher (see also Sutter, Bruce, who also gets a boots from being credited with popularising a pitch).

  2. Mike says:

    As a Tribe fan, I have stayed off of the Internet and Twitter after the end of Game 7, except for your article. Once again you didn’t disappoint. Thanks!

  3. Jeff says:

    Joe, love your story, long time reader. I don’t want to nitpick, but the Cubs two runs were scored in the top of the tenth, not the ninth. Thought you would want to know.

  4. Reagan says:

    Excellent summary of the game and the experience, Joe. Thanks.

    By the way, I wanted to see Cleveland win it. But at least this way Jeff Garlin gets his day in the sun.

  5. the_slasher14 says:

    Been following the game since 1950 and this game has to be in the top five. The Mazeroski game was probably more dramatic in terms of lead changes. Game 5 of the 1980 NLCS is right up there in that category. Game 6 in the 1986 NLCS is in the discussion as was game 5 in the ALCS that year, and Carlton Fisk in the 1975 World Series. The Bill Buckner game is worth a mention. I’ve seen some crazy regular season games too, of course. The Bucky Dent game in 1978 season probably tops those, though Roberts-Newcombe on the last day of the regular seasons in 1950 and 1951 were fantastic games.

    What was different about this game was that the weight of victory or defeat was so much heavier, heavier than any other winner-take-all game of my lifetime. BOTH teams had a major stake in this one, and only one could win.

    Cleveland’s remarkable comeback in the 8th was matched by Chicago’s shrugging off having blown a won game and then hanging on to win it. I was reminded of the end of the fight in “Rocky,” as Rocky and Creed hang onto each other at the final bell and Creed says “ain’t gonna be no rematch,” and Rocky replies “I don’t want one.”

    But both teams WILL want one, and given that both are young and incredibly tough competitors, we might get one, or more. Looking forward to it. Baseball doesn’t get any better than this.

  6. Dan says:

    Well, it was a heck of a game. I didn’t have a rooting interest and I was still nervous. I’m happy for the Cubs and their fans.

    I thought Maddon’s use of his bullpen the last two games was inexplicable – going to, and then over-extending Chapman in game 6, and then pulling Lester after he got rolling in game 7. It almost makes me long for the good old days when closers only came in and pitched the 9th.

    Moment of the Series for me: the grin on Bryant’s face as he was fielding that last out. So sweet.

    And for all of Heyward’s lack of performance this year, it sounds like his speech during the rain delay might be what saved the Cubs season. Hats off to him.

    • KHAZAD says:

      For all of the people that call Joe Maddon some kind of genius or hold him up as the manager you want, I have been decidedly unimpressed when I watch him manage in the post season. I must admit I have not seen alot of regular season games for the Cubs or the Rays or Angels when he was there, but in the post season, he seems like an extreme overmanager, often with detrimental results.

      Hey, they won this one, but think it was in spite of him rather than because of him. A more maligned and more easily made fun of manager (Ned Yost, for instance) with the same roster would not have needed extras, and game 7 would have been a much more ho hum affair.

      • ResumeMan says:

        So just to clarify the matter (per my best understanding of the situation), the real basis for Joe’s reputation is not that he’s some sort of masterful tactical genius a’la John McGraw, etc. I believe he’s generally considered to be tactically solid, and certainly this series didn’t show that in the best light.

        But from what I understand, the praise for Maddon is focused on:

        1. An uncommon willingness to adopt completely new approaches to things based on input from analytics. A key example is in his willingness to do things like his hyper-aggressive bullpen usage, though he certainly blundered in the actual execution in this instance. More significantly, Maddon was at the bleeding edge of the defensive shift revolution, being willing to accept analysis to employ unconventional deployment of his resources.

        2. Probably more importantly, Joe has an unrivaled reputation as a clubhouse manager, and director of a team. Stuff that of course we can’t even see, much less evaluate. But he’s widely known to be great at keeping teams loose and focused, and making everyone feel a part of things.

        So it’s not about his bunting strategies or pitch selection, it’s his willingness to innovate and ability to motivate.

        • KHAZAD says:

          ” Probably more importantly, Joe has an unrivaled reputation as a clubhouse manager, and director of a team”

          I have always agreed that the main job of a manager is to manage the differing personalities of the team and get everyone motivated and together. There is a reason why in Baseball it is called a “manager” rather than head coach. I certainly won’t argue with that.

          Most of the things I hear said about him are more about being a tactician, though. I think he takes those to the extreme and is one of those guys that always has to feel like he had a hand in the outcome – and he wants you to know it.

          The early pulls of Arrieta and Hendricks,(and Lester) the use of Chapman in a game 76 blowout,the 2 strike sac attempt with Heyward on third, etc. I think he made it much harder than it had to be. I have had these same thoughts in prior post season series I have seen him in – many of which did not end up with such a happy result.

          • invitro says:

            ‘There is a reason why in Baseball it is called a “manager” rather than head coach.’ — Yes, but I don’t think it’s the reason you think it is.

        • KHAZAD says:

          ” Probably more importantly, Joe has an unrivaled reputation as a clubhouse manager, and director of a team”

          I have always agreed that the main job of a manager is to manage the differing personalities of the team and get everyone motivated and together. There is a reason why in Baseball it is called a “manager” rather than head coach. I certainly won’t argue with that.

          Most of the things I hear said about him are more about being a tactician, though. I think he takes those to the extreme and is one of those guys that always has to feel like he had a hand in the outcome – and he wants you to know it.

          The early pulls of Arrieta and Hendricks,(and Lester) the use of Chapman in a game 6 blowout,the 2 strike sac attempt with Heyward on third, etc. I think he made it much harder than it had to be. I have had these same thoughts in prior post season series I have seen him in – many of which did not end up with such a happy result.

      • MikeN says:

        Theo fired a good manager just because he realized Maddon was available.

    • Dano says:

      Heyward really impressed me defensively. He made a nice catch in game 6 with men on base, charging a line drive. The throw in the 9th of game 6 was pretty good too. I hadn’t seen him at all but had read he was really good defensively. He is. Now that he has his first season with the Cubs under his belt, I expect him to hit better next year. It’s not that uncommon for free agents to underperform (somewhat) their first year after signing a big contract.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      I couldn’t understand why he pulled Hendricks with two outs, a runner on first and a four-run lead. He was pitching fine. I thought pulling Hendricks early shortened his bullpen and ended up having Chapman come in in the 8th.

      • Hamster Huey says:

        Completely agree, this seemed strange. Might it be that it was the third time through the lineup for Hendricks? I heard some sideways mention of this somewhere… is there a growing body of data that batters gain an advantage the third time through against the starter, such that in a WS Game 7 it may be better to go to a fresh arm? (Even if this is true, it’s still debatable whether Lester on 2 days rest, and pitching in relief for the first time in years after openly stating that he doesn’t really like the idea, is better than the NL ERA leader on full rest, pitching quite well.)

  7. Paul Schroeder says:

    You forgot to mention, Joe, that Rajai Davis was also in the middle of it in the 10th. He drove in the 7th run, and was running on the final out. If Bryant throws it away, he’s at 3rd with two out a la Alex Gordon in 2014.

  8. JC says:

    Joe: you have argued against the current system of assigning wins and losses to the pitcher. Game 7 winner being Chapman really makes no sense.

    • ResumeMan says:

      Also! I saw a lot of people arguing that Maddon shouldn’t pull Hendricks 2 outs shy of being eligible for the win. While I agreed with them in arguing that it was a bad move, in Game 7 of the World Series the LAST thing a manager should be worried about is who is listed with a “W” next to his name in the box score. The ONLY thing that matters is who gets to wear the ring. (still shouldn’t have taken him out.)

      • Chris H says:

        Francona pulled Ryan Merritt after 4-1/3 shutout innings against Toronto, and he pulled Tomlin after 4-2/3 shutout innings (although in Tomlin’s case the game was a scoreless tie, so leaving him in would only have given Tomlin the win if Cleveland had scored the very next inning). I thought at the time it was a completely unsentimental approach to managing – and I think now it stands in contrast to leaving Kluber in as long as he did. To be a successful manager – certainly in the postseason – you have to approach the game that way. And I think it bears mentioning that I can think of no Cleveland or Chicago player who doubted their manager’s moves. They both seemed to have earned the complete confidence of their teams.

        • Hamster Huey says:

          On the contrary, there were a surprising number of Cubs who openly questioned using Chapman in Game 6. Having trouble finding the quotes now but at least 2-3 players reacted candidly to the press when asked, saying they were surprised to see him out there up 5.

          • Chris H says:

            I didn’t see those, but I confess my reading focused more on the Cleveland side of things. I stand corrected.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      that’s true, but I give Chapman a lot of credit for being able to suck it up after the 8th, go out in the 9th and get through it without his best stuff. (Although throwing 98 isn’t bad.)

  9. KHAZAD says:

    The IBB to Rizzo was even more significant (I share your disdain for IBBs) as Rizzo scored what proved to be the winning run.

    Kudos to Almora for taking second on the fly ball. I think less than 5% of players would have the combination of baserunning smarts and the necessary speed to advance on that fly ball. The vast majority of players are running back to first after a ball that deep is caught. It completely changed the nature of the inning, giving Francona the option for that IBB, which he took.

    I thought Francona managed scared in game 7, starting off playing for one run twice. (CS with the first base runner, and the sacrifice after the leadoff double) The IBB to Rizzo was managing scared and feeling like he had to meddle.

    I also thought he kind of blew it using Salazar in the blowout in game 6, Salazar would have been the perfect bridge in game 7. I was surprised when Shaw started the inning after the rain delay, seeing as how he looked like he didn’t have his good stuff prior to it,(He got the outs, but didn’t look great)but I do understand the bullpen was depleted.
    Of course the mid inning “designated thrower” replacement with the last guy on his bench also ended up leaving him with no other choice but to have his worst hitter up with the game on the line at the end. I don’t know that the results would have changed, of course, but it certainly would have had more threat to the final AB.

    • MikeN says:

      Smoltz highlighted how great the play was, then he bungled it with ‘I don’t think 7 out of ten players would make that play.’

  10. Big Daddy Bobo says:

    I find it interesting no one has been lamenting how defensive shifts in the top of the 10th were part of the Indians undoing. In the dark days before defensive shifts became the rage, Ramirez would have been playing much closer to the 3rd base line during Zobrist’s at bat, and Zobrist’s grounder probably could have been converted into an inning ending DP. During Montero’s AB, Lindor was shifted near second base and Montero’s grounder would have been right to where a SS would traditionally play – again for an inning ending DP. I’m not criticizing the shifts because the numbers say those players were in the most likely spot the ball would be hit. But it’s likely the Indians could have escaped that inning with no runs scored or at worst one run scored under the old mindset. Baseball. It’s cruel.

    • KHAZAD says:

      I am a fan of defensive shifting-with the bases empty. In double play situations, though, I feel that they often have the opposite of the desired affect. You have to take the game situation into account when calling defensive shifts, rather than just figuratively pushing that button when a certain player comes up.

      • invitro says:

        I do not believe that a team sophisticated enough to use shifts would also be dumb enough to not consider the game situation. I just don’t believe that could possibly be the case, without some evidence.

        • Big Daddy Bobo says:

          During the broadcast and before the AB, John Smoltz half-questioned the decision to IBB Rizzo and pitch to Zobrist since Zobrist’s swing was well suited to punch Shaw’s pitches towards the opposite field. The Indians didn’t adjust for that. He made the same statement about Montero prior to Montero’s AB. Again the Indians didn’t adjust. In both cases, they deployed a lefty shift. Perhaps as shifts are employed more often, teams will adjust more to take into consideration the specific matchup at hand.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      If you are going to play a shift, the pitcher has to pitch to the defense. He can’t pitch away from it. The ball Zobrist hit was idea for taking the other way down the line. That’s bad pitching IMO.

  11. Eric says:

    It’s tough to have perspective the day after the game, but I don’t think this was even the best extra inning World Series game 7 lost by the Cleveland Indians.

    You had great pitchers exhausted and unable to perform, fielding blunders, baserunning errors, managerial mistakes, and a home plate umpire that seemed to be a random number generator. Also, it’s easy to forget now, but most of the game felt like a Cubs coronation. Until the 8th, the Indians weren’t really in it. It got dramatic at the end, but the Cubs never even trailed.

    I don’t want to take anything at all away from the Cubs’ awesome achievement. I just think if you take out the Chicago mythos, nobody would even think to put this in the “greatest games ever” conversation.

    • invitro says:

      Maybe, but an extra-inning WS Game 7 will always be “in the conversation”, as you young hipster fellows like to say.

      • Marc Schneider says:

        Agreed. Yes, it might not have been the best-played game but it was a great game. But, no doubt, it being the Cubs means the game will get more attention than it would otherwise. How many people talk about Game 6 between Texas and St. Louis or, for that matter, Twins/Braves in 1991?

        • invitro says:

          I was just thinking about those two games. Sports Illustrated just ran an article on the 1991 World Series. Don’t know if many people still talk about those, but at least the Morris game seems to come up a lot. I guess I don’t really read much baseball talk outside of this website, but I’d think that people talked about the Freese game a lot. I know it seemed insane at the time.

          • Marc Schneider says:

            But it’s not a game that people talk about in later years, largely, I think, because of who was in it. In fairness, people do talk about the Morris game (I certainly do as a Braves fan). People always talk about Game 6 in 1975. Part of it is that the World Series simply doesn’t have the share of mind in the country that it once did. But I think a lot of people that do not ordinarily watch baseball playoff games, even the World Series, watched this one.

            The other things is how good of a World Series overall was it? There were three one-run games, including an extra-inning game 7. The other four games were basically blowouts. IN 1991, there were five one-run games, three in extra-innings, including Game 7. In 1975, there were also 5 one-run games, with 2 in extra innings. IN 2011, there were 3 one-run games, with 1 in extra innings. But the Freese game was amazing.

  12. Rick Rodstrom says:

    All hail the 2016 Champion of the World Chicago Cubs!

    But a note to Chicago Cubs manager Joe Maddon: In the 2005 World Series against the Houston Astros, Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen let each of his starters go 7 innings and it worked out just fine.

  13. invitro says:

    This postseason was SO good. I was rooting for the Injuns a little bit, but my favorites of the playoff teams were CHC & CLE so I can’t be anything but happy, especially with the added drama of CLE’s pitching and the “Indian”/Wahoo controversies. A rematch in 2017 would be great! I can’t wait to follow the offseason player moves for the first time in decades. Who else are the 2017 favorites? I guess the Nats & Red Sox as usual. I want my favorite team the Astros to get back to the playoffs. So what’s to do until opening day? The NBA is already dull :(. Is anything going on in the NFL? College footie? I guess the Big Thirteen fans are excited that they’re back. Maybe I’ll watch Duke some as I see they’re picked #1. Blah blah blah, baseball’s still the best sport, so there, ’nuff said, full stop, end of story, period, say no more.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      The NFL has developed such a sameness to the games, plus there seems to be a penalty after every play. You just don’t see out-of-the ordinary things happen in football to nearly the extent you do in baseball. And basketball largely bores me, especially college basketball. I like watching the NBA is small doses.

      If there is a rematch, I definitely hope Cleveland wins. They deserve it, if for nothing else, the way they came back in Game 7.

    • Richard says:

      “So what’s to do until opening day?”

      November: Argue over the season’s awards. Which players really deserved them? Which didn’t? Will Mike Trout ever get another MVP award?

      December: Follow the Winter Meetings. What rule changes would you like to see? The Hall of Fame ballots come out. Who would you vote for? Who should be selected? Who *will* be selected? Is it even possible to directly compare players in any meaningful fashion?

      January: Hall of Fame results are announced. Discuss…. Create your own “All-Time” teams – not just the usual ones (All-Time Cubs, All-Time Indians, etc.), but teams like a Polish All-Star (Kluszewski, Yastrzemski, etc.) team or a one composed entirely of people named Joe (Morgan, DiMaggio, Medwick, Niekro….). Find a baseball simulation game that lets you play these teams against each other….

      February: Watch some classic games on MLB’s YouTube Channel –

  14. Richard says:

    I wonder how many people, when thinking of Greatest Game Sevens, cannot go back to the time before television.

    Game 7 of the 1924 W.S. was pretty crazy…. It went 12 innings….

    “That was one of the strangest games (Game 7 of the 1924 World Series) I ever played in. With one out, catcher (Hank) Gowdy did a sun dance on Ruel’s pop foul and stepped into his mask and dropped the ball. Ruel doubled and then there was an error at short, then McNeely hit that grouder. That was a hell’uva way to lose a World Series.” – Jack Bentley

    There actually is film of the game:

  15. MikeN says:

    Regarding the column, what is so unusual about having Kluber pitch three times in nine days? Isn’t that the ordinary 5 man rotation?

    • MikeN says:

      Never mind, it’s a 4 man rotation. 5 man is 3 in 11 days.

    • JHench says:

      It would be an ordinary four-man rotation:
      Day 4-man 5-man
      1. SP1 – Kluber SP1 – Kluber
      2. SP2 SP2
      3. SP3 SP3
      4. SP4 SP4
      5. SP1 – Kluber SP5
      6. SP2 SP1 – Kluber
      7. SP3 SP2
      8. SP4 SP3
      9. SP1 – Kluber SP4

      Of course, in any 9 day period, you usually have off days, so even with a 4-man, there would likely be more rest in between starts at least some of the time. In the playoffs, you can almost get away with a 3-man rotation, except you’ll have multiple pitchers starting on short rest (like the Indians) when they aren’t used to it.

      • MikeN says:

        I thought the Red Sox should try a 2 man rotation
        1) Pedro
        2) Wakefield
        3) off
        4) Wakefield
        5) Pedro
        6) Wakefield
        7) off
        8) Wakefield
        9) Pedro

      • Marc Schneider says:

        Would the series have been different if the Indians had had all their pitchers healthy? I think you can make an argument for that. And keeping Trevor Bauer the hell away from the mound.

  16. Mike Schilling says:

    “Oh my God! Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. :

    “Shut up, you fat %$^%.”

  17. Chris H says:

    Cleveland’s radio announcer Tom Hamilton expressed surprise at how well the ball was carrying on Wednesday night, and Davis was certainly fooled by it. In normal Cleveland weather on November 2, at least two of the Cubs home runs die on the warning track, and Davis’s homer maybe hits the wall. I had been thinking the series might turn on whether there was a rainout – well, the rain arrived a few hours late for the Tribe.

  18. Pat says:

    Joe, in case it hasn’t been said already, my hat’s off to you. I’ve seen my team lose a Game 7 a couple of times, and for the rest of the fall I couldn’t even think about baseball. It goes without saying I couldn’t have written such a joyful story about how wonderful it must have been for the other team and their fans.

    Joe, you’re a mensch.

  19. Brent says:

    A not so complete list of Great Game 7s in the WS (or 8s in one case):

    1) 1912, Red Sox 3 Giants 2 (10 innings), (this was game 8, there was a tie): Red Sox score one in the bottom of 7th off HOF Christy Mathewson to tie it 1-1 and bring in Smoky Joe Wood (winner of Games 1 and 4 and loser of Game 7) to finish game. Giants score 1 in the top of the 10th to take the lead, but Mathewson (with help from some shoddy defense) give up two in the bottom of the 10th to lose WS.
    2) 1925, Pirates 9 Senators 7, After winning Games 1 and 4 while giving 1 run in 18 innings, Walter Johnson falters late in Game 7 (blowing 6-4 lead) by giving up 2 in the 7th and 3 in the 8th. He, like Mathewson was hurt by shoddy defense behind him.
    3) 1926, Cardinals 3 Yankees 2. Pete Alexander’s comes out of bullpen after CG win in Game 6 to get out of bases loaded jam in bottom of 7th by striking out HOF Lazzeri, then gets final 6 outs of the game. Game ends when Babe Ruth caught stealing second in bottom of 9th.
    4) 1940, Reds 2 Tigers 1. This is a forgotten classic. After winning games 1 and 5, Bobo Newsom gives up 2 in the bottom of 7th to give the Reds their first clean WS victory.
    5) 1955, Dodgers 2 Yankees 0. Dem Bems win their only WS in Brooklyn, finally beat the Yankees. Johnny Podres is brilliant and little known spare outfielder Sandy Amoros makes gave saving catch in bottom of the 6th.
    6) 1958, Yankees 6 Braves 2. Yankees break 2-2 tie in top of 8th with 4 run rally capped by 3 run homer by Bill Skowron.
    7) 1960, Pirates 10 Yankees 9. Mazerowski, only walk off game winning HR in WS Game 7 history. Also Pirates blow 4-0 and 9-7 leads and Yankees blow 7-4 lead in bottom of 8th.
    8) 1962, Yankees 1 Giants 0. Ralph Terry CG 1-0 victory. Game ends with Willie McCovey line drive right at Yankee 2B Bobby Richardson with bases loaded.
    9) 1964 Cardinals 7 Yankees 5. Bob Gibson wins Game 7 when Yankees rally in top of 9th falls short.
    10) 1965 Dodgers 2 Twins 0. Koufax’s second CG shutout in 4 days clinches for Dodgers
    11) 1968 Tigers 4 Cardinals 1. Lolich wins his 3 game of the WS when he outduels Gibson. Scoreless game after 6 is broken open in top of 7th with help from poor Cardinals defense.
    12) 1971 Pirates 2 Orioles 1. Another forgotten classic between two great 70s teams. Steve Blass outuels Mike Cuellar in Game 7.
    13) 1972 A’s 3 Reds 2. The other two great teams of the 70s duel in this classic WS. This was the 6th 1 run game of the series. Reds have the tying run on in the 8th and 9th but can’t push across against Rollie Fingers.
    14) 1975 Reds 4 Red Sox 3. Game 6 was so good that it overshadows this forgotten classic. Red Sox early 3-0 lead evaporates when Reds score 2 in the 6th, 1 in the 7th and game winner in 9th on Joe Morgan single.
    15) 1991 Twins 1 Braves 0 (10 innings). Morris outduels Smoltz with help from Lonnie Smith poor baserunning.
    16) 1997 Marlins 3 Indians 2 (11 innings). Marlins erase 2-0 deficit with single tallies in bottom of 7, 9 and 11 to win.
    17) 2001 Diamondbacks 3 Yankees 2. DBacks score 2 in bottom of 9th off Mariano Rivera to win.
    18) 2014 Giants 3 Royals 2. Madison Bumgarner staves off Royals with 5 innings of masterful relief, stranding the tying run at 3rd to end the game
    19) 2016 Cubs 8 Indians 7 (10 innings). Cubs blow 5-1 and 6-3 leads but rally in top of 10th for two and hold off another Indians rally in bottom of the 10th to end the game.

    • invitro says:

      Thanks, that’s a great recap!

    • Marc Schneider says:

      It’s always been interesting to me that there were so many 7-game World Series in the 50s/60s/70s. Between 1955 and 1980, 15 of the 25 series went 7 games. Between 55 and 68, it was 10 of 13. I guess it’s just a statistical outlier but it’s sort of odd. After 1980, the number of 7-games series dropped precipitously; between 1980 and 2010, there were only 8. Now we have had 3 in the last 6.

  20. invitro says:

    I still can’t believe it. I’m pinching myself. It’s just too good to be true. My faith is restored. Oh, I feel this way about the playoffs, too. 🙂 😉 🙂

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