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Pete, Ty and 4,192

From NBC SportsWorld:

With Pete Rose back in the news, at least somewhat, it’s a great time to retell the deception of 4,192, the absurdity of the 1910 batting race and the day Pete Rose REALLY passed Ty Cobb to become the Hit King.

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14 Responses to Pete, Ty and 4,192

  1. Michael Green says:

    If you’re reading this, Joe, I do believe that there’s another Cobb hit that’s controversial. Fred Lieb told about it in his memoir, Baseball As I Have Known It, and Dave Anderson dedicated a column to it during Rose’s chase:

    The hilarity of Dick Young commenting on anyone’s integrity should not go unnoted, either.

  2. Phaedrus says:

    Not getting elected to the hall of fame was the best thing that ever happened to Pete Rose. Do you think people would still be writing articles about him if he got elected in his first year of eligibility? When’s the last time anyone wrote an article about Johnny Bench?

  3. Michael Strahan sack record anyone?

  4. sb mcmanus says:

    There is no mystery in hockey assists. The last two teammates to touch the puck before you score get an assist.

  5. Murray Tonkin says:

    And that was the last time the words “Pete Rose, the man of indisputable baseball integrity” were ever uttered.

  6. MikeN says:

    Don’t worry Joe another 6-8 years and the steroid users will be voted in after people start clamoring for David Ortiz. Then they might focus on Pete Rose, though I suspect the narrative will be these guys didn’t gamble like Rose, let them in!

  7. scott lucas says:

    The huge irony concerning baseball (and other professional sports) is that they are terrified of gambling because gambling is so prevalent. If the outcome is potentially tainted, the millions of fans whose main interest in sports is based on gambling would go elsewhere. It seems it has never been an argument about integrity or ethics, it’s about keeping the cash flowing.

    • Karyn says:

      Well, it’s about integrity so far as it serves the sport. If fans think the game is rigged, or has a decent chance of being rigged, they won’t watch. The NFL would absolutely love to see their premier franchises in the Super Bowl every year–to make more money–but they couldn’t pull off a conspiracy on the order of a surprise birthday party, let alone fixing a playoff game.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      So what? Of course, they are against gambling because it would hurt their business. That’s like saying I’m against crime because I might be the victim of crime. Integrity is often contextual; if you are the store owner, shoplifting is immoral; if you are poor and need to steal in order to feed your family, it’s quite moral. I don’t see any reason why sports leagues should NOT oppose gambling simply because it’s in their self-interest to do so.

  8. MikeN says:

    Just saw the Alcoa Fantastic Finishes column. So basically every sponsored segment of a game is brought to us by JImmy Carter.

  9. Below the Mendoza line says:

    I’ve been reading your work for some time and wanted to make a short post to express my gratitude. This is the kind of piece I love from you: explores the history of the game, some of the characters from the past and touches a little on human nature in general. I also love it when you wade into deep philosophical water about the Hall of Fame. Myself, I lean towards the “history of the game” and “small hall” views over the “honour to the players” and “large hall” views. I hope you continue to write for a long time to come. Great stuff!

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