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Just a friendly MVP reminder

Miguel Cabrera the last four games is nine for 17 with four homers, six RBIs, five runs, and an OPS of 1.873. Wow. At this point, he is crossing into some other realm of hitting. Miguel Cabrera is hitting .366 with 37 homers. Since Babe Ruth, only one hitter (who did not play half his games in Coors Field) has hit .365 with 40-plus homers. That was Barry Bonds in the middle of his bulky period.

Point one: Miguel Cabrera is a demigod.

Point two: The Tigers are 1-3 in those four games.

Brought to you by the Committee to Get People To Stop Voting For MVP Based On How The Team Plays.

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41 Responses to Just a friendly MVP reminder

  1. aburtch says:

    I hope to God he’s clean.

  2. Ian R. says:

    Point three: Miguel Cabrera hit two of those four homers off Mariano freakin’ Rivera. He’s now, I believe, the only hitter ever to hit home runs in consecutive at-bats against Rivera.

  3. Rob Smith says:

    He always had talent. When he was with Miami, he was one of those up and coming players that they tend to have, who showed a ton of promise. But he had a partying issue, including a DUI, and he was definitely overweight for a guy in his early 20s. His work ethic was also in question. I saw him as a talented train wreck about to happen. But he seems to have his act together now. He hasn’t continued to get fatter and is probably trimmer than he’s ever been…. and I haven’t heard anything about the partying. If all of that is together, he should be exhibit A for professional athletes on why it’s important to keep clean and work hard. It’s the difference between a talented enigma and a superstar. Hopefully he doesn’t later turn out to be ARod part 2.

    • Mark says:

      Good points Rob. Correct me if I’m wrong, but were there not a ton of stories coming out of spring training last year about the guy’s heavy drinking and how he needed counseling, etc, etc,???? And then poof, once he started killing the ball last year, no more drinking problem (at least in the media). Has he conquered (or at least neutralized) his problems or is he so good it doesn’t matter?

      I have no idea but I think the whole thing is fascinating.

  4. Rob Smith says:

    BTW: I don’t mind if people factor in the team’s performance when voting for MVP. If you have a great year for, say the Astros… who cares? It’s a version of “if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?” I’m not saying the team has to win their division, but there has to be some measurable impact beyond the team playing .380 ball instead of .320 ball. That doesn’t move the needle. BTW: the Tigers aren’t bad.

    • Rob Smith says:

      Conversely, I will say that when a player like Steve Carlton has a ridiculous season and wins 27 games for a last place team, that’s hard to ignore. So, before someone throws up this counterpoint, I acknowledge it ahead of time.

    • invitro says:

      Since you just contradicted everything you said, maybe you should give an example of what you’re talking about.

    • Alex C says:

      I assume then that the same is true for a player on a team that runs away with their division too right? I mean, who cares if the team wins the division by 14 games or 6 games.

    • Rob Smith says:

      I justo noticed Joe’s throw away tag line….”the committee to get people to stop voting for MVP based on how the teams play”. Yeah, it’s kind of non sequitur that I realized I’m not very passionate about like Joe seems to be.

  5. If the team is only 1 and 3, he might as well have sat on the bench and let Mendoza play. He provided little value.

  6. Devon Young says:

    Wow, an OPS of 1.873. The Cininnati Reds are older than that.

    As for the polls on the side of the page… Ken Griffey has 90% support… ROFL …makes me feel like 60%-90% of the voters shouldn’t be voting on any of these polls.

  7. Wilbur says:

    I would never vote, and didn’t vote for Ken Griffey. When his son appears on the ballot, I’ll vote for him.

    • Ben Wildner says:

      No one in their right mind would think Sr. is the guy on that list.

    • Devon Young says:

      Seriously? Why would we assume Poz would leave off the “Jr”, when Poz clearly knows there could be confusion? You have to have some way to differentiate two players with the same name when you’re talking about one of them. I’ve never even heard/read someone refer to Junior as simply Ken Griffey before. I’m sure it’s happened, but it’s got to be very rare ’cause I haven’t come across it and I’ve been following baseball since 1982.

      Also, it’s not like Ken Griffey was an awful player, I’m sure some people would consider him a borderline HOFer. So, it’s not inconceivable that Poz would slip him into a poll sometime just to see what kind of support he’d have. After all, there’s plenty of all-time greats that haven’t gotten much support in some of these polls… shouldn’t he check to see if some of the overlooked players would get more support from us?

    • I was going to say that there was no way that anyone felt like Senior was anywhere close to being even a borderline HOFer until I saw that he got 4.7% of the vote when he appeared on the ballot—obviously, that’s not enough to stay on the ballot, but it is more than 1 or 2 token votes from the local sportswriters with ballots. Consequently, I guess that it is possible that some people thought that he was borderline HOFer.

      That stated, I automatically assumed that it was Junior in the poll because everyone who has appeared in these polls is either an actual HOFer or someone who retired within the past few years; Senior is neither. Plus, at this point, I think that Junior gets to be simply “Ken Griffey” in baseball discussions without the generational title.

    • djangoz says:

      The seriousness with which people are taking an internet poll is truly entertaining.

      Yeah, this is just one more issue that makes these polls almost worthless.

    • Wilbur says:

      That reminds of what Bill James wrote about the election of Lloyd Waner to the HOF; he thought someone must have goofed and distributed his brother’s statistics to the voters.

    • Rob Smith says:

      It does seem like there is confusion, but there shouldn’t be. Joe hasn’t put anyone up that wasn’t really a HOF candidate, like Griffey Sr. I don’t see Cesar Geronimo or Steve Sax getting on the ballot either.

    • John Gale says:

      I had to think for a second when I saw this comment. I’ll go ahead (as I assume just about everyone else is) and assume that we’re voting on Ken Griffey Jr. I won’t be happy if Joe reveals that it was a trick, and we just inducted Sr.

    • Devon Young says:

      Not Jennifer Gibbs, Rob Smith, & John Gale …maybe it’s just ’cause I’m old and still have clear & fond memories of Ken Griffey Jr’s dad, but I just think that if there’s no Jr or Sr after the name, then it defaults to being the father — especially since Junior is part of the kid’s name and not an unofficial addition (like “Senior”) used to indicate the difference between them.

      Have you guys compared Ken Griffey to Lou Boudreau? Ken’s got more hits, better slugging %, and 4x’s as many steals. Their OPS+ is almost exactly the same, & Ken was a part of the Big Red Machine. Lookin’ at it like that, I can imagine some people might think he’s comparable to Lou (a HOFer) and therefore consider him.

      Wilbur, that’s hilarious.

      Oh, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Poz is playin’ the troll roll.

    • Rob Smith says:

      Lou Boudreau was a shortstop, a position with much lower offensive standards than corner outfielders. See Luke Appling, Luis Aparicio and Ozzie Smith. The comparison between Griffey and Boudreau is irrelevant.

    • Joe says:

      I did this quickly and thought it was Jr., not Ken Griffey the elder. So, my bad, but I suspect we are legion.

    • Joe says:

      I did this quickly and thought it was Jr., not Ken Griffey the elder. So, my bad, but I suspect we are legion.

    • Devon Young says:

      Rob… we know that, but I can imagine some people not paying much attention to anything beyond the batting stats.

      Joe… aaahhhh well, you’re not supposed to do that LOL …especially since you wrote a book on The Big Red Machine.

    • adam says:

      Given the other 9 players on that list, I would have to think it is meant to be Jr.

      Another way to look at it – Joe P is starting with the best players and going downwards, so the first Ken Griffey to show up should be Jr.

    • Brett Alan says:

      In the “Ansons and Griffeys” post, Joe makes it clear he means Jr.

  8. Chad says:

    Yes, lets hope that people vote for Cabrera for MVP because he’s a better player.

    • Ian says:

      I hope this year that WAR doesn’t become the end all topic again. Especially here since Joe wrote about the A’s internal WAR system that ranked Cabrera ahead of Trout last year.

  9. John Gale says:

    I’m not even sure what to make of Joe’s final “stat.” Four games is such a small sample size as to be rendered absolutely meaningless. A full season is more meaningful. If you want to make the argument that team performance should have absolutely no bearing on MVP votes, fine. I think that’s a weak position to take, but whatever. Just do it in a way that’s not disingenuous. He conveniently left out the part where the Tigers are 69-48 with the best run differential in baseball. Cabrera played most of those games too.

  10. Chris M says:

    Fun fact: 3-finger Brown lead the league in saves more times than Rollie Fingers

  11. Tom says:

    There are certainly circumstances where a player from a good team has a better case for MVP than a similar player from a bad team. MVP=most Valuable player, not Best player. A bad team can be so bad that even Babe Ruth couldn’t make them significantly better. A player having a great season on a good team can be the one piece that tips them over from good to great. The latter is a more valuable player than the former even if their stats are identical.

  12. Phil says:

    .365 and 40+ homers: Piazza got about as close as you could in ’97, with .362 and 40 HR (two hits short). And that was in Dodger Stadium.

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