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Hall of Fame Game Poll

So, I turned that Hall of Fame Game listed below into a survey.

Might be fun to total up those results and see what we end up with.

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15 Responses to Hall of Fame Game Poll

  1. Pak says:

    I concede it’s a little bit of a copout, but on some of these I think you need a third category to differentiate between first ballot and eventual hall of famer. I voted no on several that I could see such a stance soften over time

  2. Charles says:

    If you’d do the work right the first time, maybe you could get it right the first time.

  3. cannedyp says:

    None Of This Has Anything To Do With Their Baseball playing Abilities. You Can Only Judge A hall Of Famer by Numbers. Period.

  4. Hoopla says:

    Aside from your haphazard capitalization I agree. Therefore the next question could be: do you trust the numbers? If you know a player took something which enhanced their performance, even if it just let them recover more quickly and play longer and accumulate 3000 hits (for a random example), do you take those hits at face value?

  5. Scott P. says:

    This survey is an interesting idea, but it doesn’t really get at the heart of the issues — perhaps because you don’t fully understand the perspective of the other side.

    For example, the amphetamines question. That’s not nearly enough information. Did their teammates know they were taking amphetamines regularly? Did the league? Did the general public? Were they encouraged, explicitly or implicitly (free greenies on the trainer’s table) by their team to take them? If you asked them at the time whether they ever took amphetamines, would they have said “Yes, sure.”? If you asked them today whether they took amphetamines at the time, would they say “Yes, sure.”? These are all very relevant questions. One of the things that defines cheating is that it is surrepetitious. Ty Cobb spiked people, but he did so in public and everyone was aware that he was doing so. That is a far different thing than slipping horse laxative into your opponent’s Gatorade. So it’s very important to know how secretive the activity was.

  6. Clashfan says:

    The last one was the hardest one for me. Did the player bet on his own team? I believe this is a relevant point.

  7. Don Coffin says:

    1) When do we get to see the results of this survey (as opposed to the survey people seem to think you should have designed)?

    2) When do we get to see the results of the Springsteen song survey (or have I managed to miss that one)?

  8. Stupid Is as Stupid Does says:

    Let’s just not have this “game” decided by the bureaucrats in New York ruling that the catcher blocked the plate when in fact he did no such thing.

    Between the last minute of Portugal / US soccer match and the first inning of the Rangers / Angels I’m ready to conclude that sports just aren’t worth the frustration.

    • Cary Allen says:

      I was watching that with a couple of friends who don’t follow baseball after US/POR. They were like, he’s out, right? And I said something like, we don’t know because there is a new rule that no one, including umpires know how to interpret because it doesn’t define it’s terms well enough to give a definitive interpretation. Sure enough, he had the ball, the runner was able to get to the plate, he put the tag on before the runner got in, and the call from NY was safe.

  9. Tonus says:

    Interesting poll. I allowed all but the two regarding gambling, because I understand why the major sports are concerned about that (in the sense that it is one of the ways that a player might seek to cheat in order to LOSE games). As much as I would like to see Pete Rose in the HOF, I find it difficult to make a convincing argument against that concern. Gambling and the dangers of throwing games seems much more dangerous to the sport than spitballs or steroids will ever be. That Rose claims he always bet to win doesn’t change that for me. I can also see where that latter line of reasoning can be used against some of the claims of steroid users (“I only used it to heal from injury” or “I tried them but they didn’t work”).

  10. KB says:

    These questions are too black and white for me. Every player is a different story with a different context. The context part is especially important as what looked like a HoFer in 1950 is very different from what looked like one in 1980 or what looks like one today. Nobody questioned Gaylord Perry when he got in, but now the Bonds apologists like to throw his name at you when you dare to condemn BB. If you want to say a guy corking bats and throwing spitballs today shouldn’t be in the Hall, fine. But don’t go back and put Perry on trial or Mickey Mantle for taking uppers on trial when at the time, in the context of their career it may have been acceptable.

    • largebill says:

      Your comment is not exactly accurate. People did question Perry’s Hall of Fame credentials when he hit the ballot. It took him three elections to get over the 75% level.

    • Karyn says:

      In the context of the late 90s, it was acceptable for players to use PEDs. There was no consequence for doing so, and lots of guys did it. Lots.

  11. Steve Adey says:

    Joe: As a music fan you know that Jefferson Airplane was originally called The Great Society and their (first and only?) album called “Conspicuous Only in Their Absence”. It has pretty good original versions of White Rabbit and Somebody to Love. The Hall of Fame has members conspicuous in their absence. Most of them loom larger than actual Hall of Fame Members. Shoeless Joe? Pete Rose? Bonds? Clemens? All have better stories than most of the Members. Stories made better by their absences. I have reconsidered my original answer to the pitcher I would have pitch for my soul. I’m going for The Bird. Why? Because of the story. More than any other person, If he had the opportunity to come back and play just one game at peak performance. . . he would give his own soul for that game and that is the performance I would like to see. Mark Fidrych is in the Shadow Hall of Fame, and that’s where some of the best baseball stories reside.

  12. AirplaneFan says:

    Music history correction: “The Great Society” was Grace Slick’s first band. Grace joined Jefferson Airplane after the Airplane’s first female singer, Signe Toly Anderson, left the band. Jefferson Airplane was already popular before Grace joined, and The Great Society sometimes opened for the Airplane.

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