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Dale Murphy and the Age-Outs

This year, Dale Murphy will become the 35th player to age off the Hall of Fame ballot after 15 years. We’ll get into Murphy in a minute, but first:  It’s an excellent collection of players. Some were elected into the Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee: Richie Ashburn, Jim Bunning, Orlando Cepeda, Nellie Fox, Bill Mazeroski, Ron Santo and Red Schoendienst.

Others made it all 15 years because of a singular achievement: Don Larsen, Maury Wills and Roger Maris being the most obvious of those.

The other 24 were all terrific players … but in the end, the voters determined that something was missing. Something. It’s worth taking a quick look.

Dick Allen: Perhaps the most famous non-Hall of Famer not named Pete Rose, he won Rookie of the Year (one of the best-ever rookie seasons) and an MVP award, and his 156 career OPS+ ranks 19th all-time. His career was short, and he was a contentious character — neither helped him. Topped out at 18.9 percent of the vote. Only appeared on 14 ballots for some reason, but I still include him here.

Ken Boyer: MVP, five-time Gold Glove winner, one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball history, never quite captured the voters’ imaginations. Topped out at 25.5 percent.

Lew Burdette: 200-game winner who, at different times, led league in wins, winning percentage, ERA, shutouts, complete games, hits, runs and home runs. His 3.66 career ERA (a 99 ERA+) hurt his chances. He topped out at 24.1 percent.

Dave Concepcion: A brilliant defensive shortstop who had some good offensive seasons, Concepcion just never excited the voters the way his countryman Luis Aparicio did (Aparicio had stolen bases as an added dimension of his game). Concepcion topped out at 16.9 percent.

Alvin Dark: Good hitting shortstop was Rookie of the Year in 1948 and one of the most admired players of his time. In the end, did not hit quite enough. Topped out at 18.5 percent.

Roy Face: Pioneering reliever led league in games finished four times and had amazing time in 1959 when, right-place-right-time, he finished 18-1 without ever throwing more than five innings. Many see him as the first modern closer. Topped out at 18.9 percent.

Curt Flood: Defensive virtuoso in center field, .300 hitter in his prime, Flood was very much a Hall of Fame candidate at 31 years old when he refused to be traded. His stand — though he personally lost — helped change the very structure of baseball. But it was at great personal cost; he never played regularly again. He topped out at 15.1 percent.

Steve Garvey: I would say no non-Hall of Famer in baseball history — again, with the obvious exception of Pete Rose — was called a “future Hall of Famer” more than Steve Garvey. He had 2,599 career hits, an MVP, four Gold Gloves and nine All-Star Game starts. He got 41.6 percent of the vote in his first year, which should lead to certain election. But his various off-the-field adventures and the statistical holes in his game (a .329 career on-base percentage) derailed his chances. He topped out at 42.6 percent.

Gil Hodges: Another beloved player, he hit 25-plus homers nine times and drove in 100 runs seven times. He topped 60 percent in the voting three times but for some reason never could quite push over the top. He managed the Miracle Mets, and there are now numerous efforts to induct him for his entire body of work in baseball.

Elston Howard: Highly esteemed by everyone, Howard was first African American on the Yankees and the first African American to win the AL MVP Award. He started in the Negro leagues and was blocked at first by Yogi Berra, but in time he became the best catcher in the game. Unfortunately the career was too short. He topped out at 20.7 percent.

Tommy John: Saw that Dr. James Andrews has a book coming out; always wondered how he felt about the surgery being called “Tommy John Surgery.” I mean, Tommy John didn’t PERFORM it. He did come back from it, though, and he won 288 games. He threw strikes, kept the ball down, induced more than 600 double plays. Topped out at 31.7 percent.

Jim Kaat: Won 283 games. Now think about this: 16 times in his career he pitched 7-plus innings, allowed 1 or fewer earned runs and got a no-decision. Another 17 times, he pitched 7-plus innings, allowed 1 or fewer earned runs and got the loss. If you could find 17 “wins” in there, he’d have 300 … and he’d be in the Hall of Fame. Great, great guy. Topped out at 29.6 percent.

Ted Kluszewski: For four years — 1953 through 1956 — Big Klu hit .315 and averaged 44 homers and EACH YEAR had more home runs than strikeouts. Those four years, though, make up almost the entire value of his career, and the voters decided it just wasn’t long enough. Topped out at 14.4 percent.

Harvey Kuenn: Led league in hits four times and finished with a career .303 average. Limited contribution beyond ability to hit singles and doubles, but he topped out at 39.3 percent. Also: “Two and two to Harvey Kuenn, one strike away …”

Mickey Lolich: Won 217 games and led league in virtually every category at one point or another in his career. Best known for his amazing 1968 World Series, when he threw three compete games and won them all — he out-dueled Bob Gibson in Game 7. Topped out at 25.5 percent.

Minnie Minoso: One of the most beloved players in baseball history, he began his career in the Negro leagues. Was 25 when he finally got his shot, and for 10 seasons, 1951-1960, he hit .307, won the first outfield Gold Glove, led the league at various times in hits, doubles, triples, stolen bases, total bases and hit by pitch (10 times in all). Really could have won the MVP as a rookie, probably should have won it in 1954. Topped out at 21.1 percent.

Thurman Munson: MVP, three-time Gold Glove winner, died in a plane crash at 32. He got 15.5 percent of the vote in his first year on the ballot, and never got that high a percentage again, though he kept staying on the ballot.

Don Newcombe: Rookie of the Year in 1949, Cy Young and MVP winner in 1956, his peak was not quite long enough (he missed two full prime seasons serving in the military). Topped out at 15.3 percent.

Tony Oliva: One of baseball’s magical names, he won three batting titles, led the league in hits five times and doubles four. People who watched him play say he hit the ball as hard as any player in baseball history. But his career was short — he did not get 2,000 hits. He hit 47.3 percent of the vote in his seventh year, which is normally a good sign. But his percentages fell off from there.

Dave Parker: The Cobra had 2,700 hits, more than 500 doubles, two batting titles, an MVP award and he was on his way to an all-time career when he was sidetracked by drugs and some bad decisions. He rebounded and became a good hitter again in his mid-30s, but the voters didn’t think he quite got to the Hall of Fame line. He topped out at 24.5 percent in his second year on the ballot.

Vada Pinson: Had 2,757 hits in his career — was a good season and two months away from 3,000 hits and a place in Cooperstown. Was a fabulous player until about age 26 and an average-to-below average player the last 10 years of his career.

Luis Tiant: He won 229 games, his case is almost precisely the same as Hall of Famer Catfish Hunter (it’s actually a better case than Catfish’s). But his timing was off … after getting 30.9 percent of the vote his first year, there was a parade of 300-game winners to hit the ballot and Tiant never even topped 20 percent after that.

Joe Torre: Will undoubtedly be inducted as a manager someday soon, but he was an excellent player with nine All-Star appearances, an MVP award and a 126 career OPS+. Topped out at 22.2 percent in his last year on the ballot.

Mickey Vernon: Two-time batting champion with almost 2,500 hits, he — like Newcombe — missed two prime years because of military service. Beloved player who played 20 years. Topped out at 24.9 percent.

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OK, so now Dale Murphy. He is on his 15th ballot, and he topped out at 23.2 percent on his second. He has been between 8.5 and 15 percent the last 11 years. For most of those years, I have been one of the people voting for him.

I will admit … there is emotion involved in my vote. I fully understand why his Hall of Fame case does not speak to the majority of voters. He was not a really good player until he was 24. And he was done after he was 31.* And even if you just look at those eight seasons, he was up and down — he wasn’t a standout player in the strike year or in 1986. And even in his excellent seasons, he was greatly aided by his ballpark, Fulton County Stadium, where baseballs just soared.

*And I mean DONE … his case would be helped so much if he’d had even one good year after 31. But his body was just too beaten up.

So, yes, I get it. Dale Murphy’s Hall of Fame case, essentially, is made up of eight seasons: 1980-1987 … with a few bonus points for some of the seasons surrounding. But, I should say, there were six pretty great seasons among the eight. This stretch included:

• Two MVP awards.
• Two home run titles.
• Two RBI titles.
• Two slugging percentage titles.
• Four straight years of playing 162 games.
• Five Gold Gloves.
• A 30-30 season.

There is no question in my mind that, for those years, Dale Murphy played on a Hall of Fame level — even taking into account the two down seasons. But beyond his play, Murphy was a class act, someone who took being a role model seriously, and in many ways he was the first baseball hero that the American South could call its own. Superstation WTBS played such a big role in bringing baseball around the country and Murphy was the star attraction … even when the Braves were awful (as they often were).

I like to tell myself that I have voted for Murphy because of his extraordinarily high peak … I do believe, in his prime, he was a better baseball player than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson in their primes, and they are the last two outfielders voted into the Hall of Fame. But I could be wrong about that, and the prime was short, and if I’m honest with myself, I look at the list above of players who aged out on the ballot, and I think that Minnie Minoso, Ken Boyer, Dick Allen, Curt Flood, Tommy John and others are at least as worthy as Murphy, maybe more so.

And if I’m being honest with myself … I wish he could exchange two of his poorer seasons for two elite seasons. The case would be so much stronger. But this is the Hall of Fame, where the standards are extraordinarily high. You have to be a really, really good player to last on the Hall of Fame ballot for 15 years. Dale Murphy was a really, really good player.

53 Responses to Dale Murphy and the Age-Outs

  1. Grulg says:

    Dale’d be a fine Hof pick, sure.

    But so would Jack Morris.

    Hmmmmmmm. Nothin’ like having a borderline candidate get dinged by the opposition is it there Joe?

    • Yes, he certainly seems upset by Murphy’s candidacy being “dinged.” I also got rage from the paragraphs in which Joe, himself, dings Murphy’s credentials.

      I disagree that Jack Morris would make a fine HoF pick. However, we agree that Dale Murphy would make a fine pick (and we also agree that he’d be borderline).

    • rbiisme says:

      Rage?? I saw nothing but humor, honesty, and some melancholy. Check the color of
      the lens you’re looking through!

  2. Knobhead says:

    Mickey Lolich, Jim Kaat and Luis Tiant all belong in the HoF.

    Speaking of Lolich the Tigers never seem to get the respect they deserve. Morris, Lolich, Freehan, Trammell and Whitaker all have strong cases on their own merits and especially compared to those already IN the HoF.

    • spencersteel says:

      I think it’s nothing more than an oddity that the Tigers’ players haven’t gotten as much consideration over the past 10-15 seasons as they might – and I’m saying this as someone who is from Metro Detroit and has lived here most of my 43 years. Trammell’s case seems to me the most powerful, but he seems to have been swept away by the next generation of players whose numbers (often PED-aided) made Trammell’s look sort of pedestrian (it doesn’t make sense when you adjust for context, but the voters don’t seem like they’re up for much critical thinking). Whitaker has a weaker case than Tram, but DOES have a case. Catchers don’t generally get in without monstrous offensive numbers and super-long careers, so I can see where Freehan wouldn’t get much consideration. The Detroiter and Southfielder in me wants Ted Simmons inducted, like yesterday, but of course he wasn’t a Tiger. I know I am in the minority here, but I think neither Lolich nor Morris has a rational case for enshrinement. Both guys took the ball a lot, both guys had some very serious and memorable postseason success, neither guy was ever quite at the very top of the pyramid. I don’t know anyone in Detroit who feels Lolich belongs, know tons of people who are sure that Morris does, and when I examine their bodies of work, they’re way more similar than different.

      It’s going to change; if Verlander stays in a Tigers uniform and continues as he’s going he’s going to have a smooth trip in. Cabrera too. Morris will be the worst inductee since Sutter and Rice, but he appears to be on his way as well.

    • prophet says:

      Trammell is the one that honks me off the most. He’s one of the … 8? 10? … best shortstops to play the game, and the HoF voters don’t know it. Whitaker is underrated because his best skills (OBP, power and defense) aren’t appreciated by the voters; that said, while he’s got a good case for the Hall, he wouldn’t raise the standards the way Trammell would.

    • Rob Smith says:

      The problem with all mentioned is that they are all borderline. You can make a case, but it’s largely a WAR case. They were all around players whose value was not found solely on amazing offensive numbers. When watching them, you could see they were HOFers. But, looking at the offensive stats, things start to look more iffy. WAR kind of pulls out the part of you that saw them play & thought they were HOFers.

  3. Joe: You’re downplaying a strong argument here that you made elsewhere this week. People compare Dale Murphy to Willie Mays and find him wanting. But there are a lot more Jim Rices and Ross Youngses in the Hall. There’s only one Willie Mays. That shouldn’t keep other outfielders out.

    Jim Rice getting in, for me, opens the floodgates for a lot of OFs with short peaks. And why not?

  4. Kurt says:

    Add this the list of Murphy’s accomplishments: he was also a 7 time All-Star between 1980-1987 (every year between except ’81).

    • Rob Smith says:

      It’s amazing how Murphy went from .295/.417/.580 with 44HR/105RBI and 16 SBs to .226/.313/.421 24HR/77 RBI and 3 SBs in one year. That was from age 31 to 32. After that, it was never good again.

  5. Lach says:

    I am not sure whether the players you mention deserved induction, but I would certainly rather see some of them in the HOF (Parker, Murphy, Oliva, Minoso, Tiant) than the likes of those recently selected (Hank O’Day, Jacob Ruppert, Deacon White) or others (Bowie Kuhn). I also fear that Alan Trammell is going to join your 15 yrs. on the ballot list as well.

  6. daveyhead says:

    I was on a Caribbean cruise in 1996. I was at dinner, seated next to an older man who introduced himself as “Jim.” i introduced myself with my full name and Jim said “Oh, I have a professional colleague with that name, from Syracuse, NY” i replied that I was from Syracuse and knew his colleague. I said “so you’re a surgeon, too?” and he told me, yes. “What’s your last name, Jim?” I asked and he replied, “Andrews.”

    I practically blurted out, “You invented the Tommy John procedure!” and he said “Yep. So you’re a baseball fan, huh?”

    I don’t think Dr. Andrews is worried too much about what the procedure is called.

  7. Scott says:

    Does every team have a Dale Murphy. I’m a Tigers fan, and the friend I talk the most baseball with by far is a Braves fan, so I’ve had a couple of Dale talks with him. But he really thinks of Dale as a borderline guy and isn’t surprised he didn’t make it. Like you he wishes he had a couple of more prime type years. As a Tigers fan, Jack Morris is probably my Dale guy, a borderline guy I wish had a couple more numbers to seal the deal (I look at Trammel and Whitaker as locks and scorn the BBWAA for not recognizing their obvious greatness on the other hand). Jim Rice was this guy for Boston fans for a long time, until he (almost inexplicably, at least to me) got in. I think Don Mattingly is that guy for Yankees fans. I wish I knew more baseball fans in other towns, though. I’d be interested to see who their Dale Murphy cases are, that one borderline HOF’er they all wish could get in. I should research this one myself, try to come up with an All-Dale team.

    • adam says:

      I’m a Mariners fan. We have our Dale Murphy – it’s Edgar Martinez. You know whose fault it is he probably won’t get in the HoF? The Mariners, for keeping him in the minor leagues so dang long. Still pisses me off.

    • DJM says:

      Every team has someone who either had a very high peak but a short career, or a low peak but a very long career.

      I’m an Orioles fan, so the player that comes to mind right away is Boog Powell. The Red Sox guy might be Tiant or Fred Lynn. The Yankees have Mattingly. The Blue Jays have Dave Steib.

    • Ian R. says:

      As a Red Sox fan, the guy who immediately comes to my mind is Dwight Evans, though Tiant and Lynn are definitely on the list as well.

    • Ian R. says:

      I’m also guessing a fair number of those players are on the list of guys who aged out. Concepcion is most likely that guy for Reds fans, I’d think. Ditto Garvey for the Dodgers.

    • nightfly says:

      “Dale Guys.” Excellent concept. For the Mets I think that would have to be Darryl Strawberry. He certainly seemed on his way his first seven or eight seasons.

    • Ian, Concepcion is certainly that guy for this Reds fan. . .

    • Scott says:

      I liked this idea so much I started playing around with it. I wanted to pick one Dale Murphy for each team, and it turns out that’s a lot harder than you would think. Plus it makes for a heck of a long post. But I have given it a shot, selected 30 Dale Murphy guys using a strange variety of tactics and posted the first batch here: Dale Murphy All Stars

    • This is not exactly the same as he spent most of his career elsewhere, but as a Rays fan my choice is Fred McGriff. I am not convinced he belongs, but tend in that direction. Another case of a player whose timing probably has hurt his chances.

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  9. MtheL says:

    I think it is fascinating the way you dismissed Maris from this list. Murphy and Maris are nearly identical players – BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, and OPS+ are only separated by a few points. Both had 2 MVPs and multiple all-star appearances. Both played gold glove defense and had very high, but very short peaks. Their WAR isn’t even that different – about 6 points, with Murphy’s OWAR higher than Maris, but Murphy’s DWAR quite a bit lower. If Maris, with almost identical stats AND the HR crown couldn’t get in, then surely Murphy doesn’t stand a chance.

  10. DJM says:

    Wouldn’t wondering about Tommy John surgery’s name because he only received the surgery and didn’t discover it be like wondering about Lou Gehrig’s Disease because he didn’t discover it?

  11. Leah says:

    I am a Braves fan so I am biased. I want to see Dale Murphy in the Hall. I don’t want to say he represented the Braves in the 80s because the 80s sucked and Murphy didn’t suck. He was the bright spot and the reason fans came to the game, I believe (well, I was just a little kid back then, but I had a Dale Murphy shirt and he was the reason I came). If it takes the veteran committee to get him in, then so be it, as long as he’s in. I feel it would be a shame he’s not in the Hall, not because he was a favorite of mine, but because he was. He was the Braves. He was the fan favorite. He didn’t have the most outstanding career, but he had some great years. He had what is included in this article. Those distinctions speak volumes to why a player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

  12. purebull says:

    the item i never see mentioned…mickey lolich retired as the guy with the most strikeouts by a left hander in mlb history.

    sure, he got surpassed…but, you’d think a mention of this would be made when talking about his viability as a HoF candidate…

    • Lach says:

      When I think of Lolich, I think of Jerry Koosman.


      Lolich: 217-191; 3.44 ERA; 3-time All Star, a 2nd and 3rd in CY Young, 41 Shutouts, 2832 Ks (18th all time), top ten in ERA twice

      Koosman: 222-209 3.36 ERA, 2-time All Star, a 2nd and 6th in CY Young, 33 Shutouts, 2556 Ks (28th all time), top ten in ERA 6 times.

      Both solid, very good pitchers, with excellent post-season performances (Koosman went 2-0 in the ’69 series). But Not HOFs.

    • spencersteel says:

      As long as you’re comparing those two, throw Jack Morris into that mix. His career began later, when starters weren’t throwing 370 innings in a season anymore, but past that I dare you to separate them. Here in Detroit one guy is a heavy-set lefty who owns a donut shop, the other about to be voted into the HOF. If Morris gets in, he should thank the idiots in the BBWAA, as well as all of the parents whose kids were born around 1955 and just weren’t as good as the generation of pitchers before and after them.

  13. Jeff Bunnell says:

    A big no on Dale Murphy. When you have to find or create reasons for someone’s enshrinement, then they don’t really belong.

    If you take the decade of the 80’s as a whole, Murphy’s best season was in 1983. After plugging in all the position players, this “best season” doesn’t even make the top 25.

    I’d compare him to Steve Garvey. Garvey for years was the biggest star on his team, made multiple All-Star teams and actually had a more productive career than Murphy.

    Great guy, but not a HOF’er.

    • Come on Jeff. Nobody is “creating reasons” to have Murphy enshrined. They are facts for his selection.

    • Jeff Bunnell says:

      Well, they may be factual, but his numbers are not HOF-worthy.

      And my comment was based on this article AND the argument they were putting together last night on MLB network. Eliminating OBP but including this stat over that stat. And then here,(in this article) excluding 1981 & 1986 but including this year over that one, but including ALL of the All Star nods regardless…

      To me, that’s being creative with the numbers.

      He’s had 15 years for the numbers to prove his case. He’s had the “he played clean” factored in (see Jim Rice) but it still didn’t get him elected.

      I took the time this evening to read Chad Murphy’s case for his dad, but while character, sportsmanship and integrity are important, they don’t carry the same weight as sheer numbers. Chad Murphy seems to think that they should all count the same.

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    • David Gleffe says:

      Actually, Jeff, Chad Murphy is right. According to the Hall of Fame the voting criteria is:

      “5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.”

      From that verbiage, it is clear that the Hall of Fame considers that “character, sportsmanship, and integrity are important” and that they carry the same weight as sheer numbers. During the 80’s Dale Murphy was the Braves. Everyone else came and went, few of them making any real contribution. Dale’s two MVP seasons, the Braves finished 1st and 2nd respectively. His contribution to his team is unquestioned, as are his sportsmanship, his character, and his integrity. Dale was the centerfielder of the 80’s. Dale Murphy is one of the few rare players in the last 30 years that got it right.

      If the Hall can elect a drunk, a couple men that climbed into the stands to attack fans, and a guy that spit on an umpire, how can you say Dale Murphy doesn’t belong?

    • Clashfan says:

      David G, it’s not at all clear that character is meant to be considered as important as on-field accomplishments. There have probably been a hundred guys in MLB who had as strong a character as Dale Murphy, but not half the accomplishments. We don’t discuss those players as Hall of Fame candidates.

    • Jeff Bunnell says:

      David, while those criteria are outlined within the rules, history has shown that sportsmanship etc doesn’t begin to carry weight until the next phase of the election process (Veterans committee and the like).

      Sportsmanship/integrity DOES rear its head to keep players OUT during the first phase of voting, but I can’t think of any 1st phase elected members who have been enshrined largely due to the latter 3-4 criteria.

      IMHO, if there was no worthy candidate on this years ballot, Murphy would have a better chance, but that is not the case.

      Hopefully, he’ll have better luck in the next phase of the election process.

  14. spencersteel says:

    Seems a shame that a borderline candidate with a strong reputation as a jerk gained entry to Cooperstown, while another borderline candidate with a strong reputation as a wonderful person likely won’t, but I see no value in compounding the errors of the past HOF electorate by enshrining guys who just don’t quite cut it. I wish Murph didn’t stop hitting in 1988, but he did, and he was never good again. Dale won’t be forgotten when he drops off the ballot; he was a marvelous baseball player – the best in the game in 1982 and 1983 – and along with Ryne Sandberg ushered in the era of the out-of-town national TV star on account of WGN and WTBS. The myth that players who don’t make the HOF are suddenly lost to history is just that – and there are plenty of guys who DO get in who become somewhat forgotten as well.

  15. evan says:

    What about Ted Simmons? Never understood why or how he got so little consideration for the HOF? Eight time AllStar, almost 2500 hits plus a catcher for almost his entire career.

  16. rbiisme says:


    Thanks for the memories, as Bob Hope used to say. Minoso, Tiant, Face and his forkball, Kuenn, Vada Pinson, et al. Great stroll down memory lane. I was a vendor at Candlestick in the 60’s and was lucky to see many from the Golden Age.

  17. The Hall has numerous ex-Yankees whose career numbers aren’t as good as several on your list.

  18. Great blog. Here are some other honorable mentions that you may have missed while typing this blog: Billy Pierce, Vida Blue, and Lance Parrish.

  19. ethegolfman says:

    Love seeing Mickey Lolich’s name for one of the great statistical oddities – despite being a poor hitter, even for a pitcher (among pitchers with 1000+ PA, Lolich has the worst BA and SLG), Lolich had the same walk rate (10.3%) as both Joe Dimaggio and JOhnny Bench and a higher walk rate than Hank Aaron, Billy Williams, Robbie ALomar, Pete Rose, Dave Winfield, Mike PIazza, Rod Carew, Ty Cobb, George Brett and so on.

    How is that even possible?

  20. Unknown says:

    Gil Hodges is the leader on this list and belongs in the Hall of Fame. Dave Parker is the next closest. Any one of them are worthy of consideration and point out the difficulty of the sustained excellence required of a Hall of Fame career. Being recognized as a great player is a great honor regardless,and everyone on this list was just that at one point in their careers.

  21. I disagree with the notion that because a borderline or lesser candidate is enshrined it should “open the floodgates” to others. Perhaps it actually has that effect (if A, why not x, y, z) but that does not mean it should. If we do that, then by comparing candidates to the lowest ranked players we keep lowering the bar. If Rice, then Murphy. If Murphy then Pinson. If Pinson then Henrich. If Henrich then Bauer……if ? then Pierre.

  22. […] now). Morris failed to gain entry on this his 15th and final year on the ballot. Morris becomes the 36th player to last the full 15 years on the ballot and not get […]

  23. Bob Kaupang says:

    I’ve written an argument almost 10,000 words why Dale Murphy should be in the Hall of Fame. We have also recorded a song about it, too.

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