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A Love Story

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32 Responses to A Love Story

  1. PhilM says:

    More like “A Profiling Story,” I would think.

  2. Jerre Yeager says:

    Wow – very powerful. Coincidentally, Shelby Lynne is one of my favorite female singer/songwriters, and this song is from my favorite album she’s done. It makes it even more personal. Thanks for sharing!

  3. Pat says:

    Man. This was hard to watch.

    Good. And important.

    But (exhaaaaaaaaale).

  4. David in Toledo says:

    Thanks, Joe. A good reminder.

  5. invitro says:

    So making a gun with your fingers means you’re more likely to actually shoot someone? Well I suppose it must, or it wouldn’t have been in the video. I’m curious to see the research on that.

    The signs of a kid being a killer are probably the same as of him being a sociopath. You know — cruelty to animals is the main one; I remember reading that close to 100% of mass shooters had a cruelty to animals incident in their past. Anyway, it’s hard to see how anything in this video makes any difference, other than to make naive people feel like they’re making a difference. But just in case, what should I do the next time I see a kid making a gun with his fingers? Call 9-1-1, I assume?

    • Joe Gray says:

      The best thing you can do is remove guns from people who don’t deserve to have them

    • Karyn says:

      Dude. Stop. Clearly, that one snippet was not the only reason to see that the kid was in a bad way.

      I work with teenagers, and this is something I care about deeply. I’d appreciate it if you either took it a tiny bit seriously, or just let it alone.

      • invitro says:

        I don’t know why you think I don’t take it seriously. I take crime and the prevention of crime very seriously. That’s why I get sad/angry when silly things like this video show up, which are exploiting a real problem to make the uninformed feel better about themselves.

        • billydaking says:

          No, you don’t take it seriously. I grew up near Sandy Hook, and one of my friends was close with some of the victims and their parents. And I also work as an editor in the social sciences, so I’ve seen the research. What the video shows is what is called “leakage”, where a would-be shooter tips his/her intentions with behavior on social media (the Facebook posting Evan scrolled by) and in public (doing constant research on automatic firearms in the library).

          You’re dismissing out of hand the video’s very valid and visceral point, using the argument “of I read this somewhere” (while mocking the video’s basis in research). The person who is uninformed is you, and you are simply reinforcing that ignorance by mockery.

  6. MikeN says:

    The use of the term ‘gun violence’ is offputting. It is clearly something thought up by a committee to help sell the agenda.

    • Marc Schneider says:

      MikeN,

      It’s offputting for you. As for “selling” the “agenda”, isn’t that what you make commercials for? What else is the point?

      • MikeN says:

        Sure. The commercial is fine. The use of ‘gun violence’ on their website is a signal that this is just another gun control outfit, despite all their claims to be supportive of gun ownership.

  7. Karyn says:

    I wonder if this ad is actually effective in getting people to recognize that a kid is in danger, and intervening. Some PSAs such as this look really good, and make us all go, “Whoa!”, but don’t actually have an effect on the problem.

    • MikeN says:

      What would it take to have an effect?
      How many school shootings are there?
      The website claims 500k incidents a year of gun violence,
      with about 100k shootings. Not sure what the other 400k are, pistol whipping?

  8. james says:

    Not a fan…almost blames school personnel, if you had been paying attention, that tragedy wouldn’t have happened…

    I’m for responsible gun control, just not a fan of this film.

    • billydaking says:

      It’s not blaming anyone. It’s simply showing how someone who obviously needs help before he turns violent can be missed in our day-to-day living.

  9. Mark says:

    Once the payoff came I thought more about this video than I did the point of the PSA:
    https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo

  10. Marc Schneider says:

    The problem is, this is a non-solution to the problem. There is no way in the world that any kid (or adult for that matter) is going to spend his or her time watching other kids to see if they exhibit “suspicious” behavior. And, in fact, it could lead to kids being singled out that someone just doesn’t like. It’s almost encouraging hysteria.

    Let’s face it, there is probably nothing you can do, in the current political climate, to stop gun violence in schools or anywhere else. As long as these kids can get high-powered weapons, how do you stop them? Even if you buy “good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns, there’s no way to keep someone from at least getting off a few rounds. And with all the crap on social media, these kids, who feel sorry for themselves, are now encouraged to go do something like this. People talk about radicalization of Muslim kids on social media, but non-Muslim kids are being indoctrinated too in their own way.

    • invitro says:

      ” And with all the crap on social media, these kids, who feel sorry for themselves, are now encouraged to go do something like this. People talk about radicalization of Muslim kids on social media, but non-Muslim kids are being indoctrinated too in their own way.” — Marc, we know of plenty of examples of kids being radicalized by ISIS (and their cronies), and being encouraged by them to go kill people. But I’m not aware of any shootings (which I’m assuming you’re talking about, since you say “something like this”) that were committed by kids that were indoctrinated by non-Muslim forces. I’m not saying there aren’t any, just that I’m not aware of them. Can you give some examples?

      • billydaking says:

        First, there aren’t many kids who have become mass murderers. Typically, they are adults.

        However…

        Dylann Roof, 21, who police say “self-radicalized” himself with white supremacist groups through social media rather than personal contacts and started his own website called The Last Rhodesian.

  11. shagster says:

    I’ve given this some thought. As we all have. Isolated kids. Isolated adults. Guns in their hand — or more directly tools that can quickly and effectively with little effort eliminate large numbers of people. Which these things were designed by militaries to do. Other such tools are under strict supervision. We won’t solve that contradiction here. But I have a basic question about why we haven’t considered using readily available solutions to what has become a vexing problem. It would seem to solve this one. Why isn’t insurance a requirement for gun ownership? It is for cars. As is licensing for cars. There is a large number of people that think the market is a better regulator than some state or federal authority. Who is uncomfortable with the idea of having the market handle gun ownership? While it doesn’t solve ‘isolation’, it certainly goes some ways to eliminate the means. Which buys time to address the issue, and saves lives, and permits law abiding gun owners to to go about their hobby.

    • MikeN says:

      The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This is actually a stronger limitation than in the first amendment which says ‘abridging’.
      What is this insurance supposed to cover? Accidental deaths, deliberate murder, something else? If the insurance is cheap, it will not change behaviour. If expensive it is infringing on people’s rights to own a gun.

  12. invitro says:

    It seems to me that since the murder rate has gone down slowly but steadily since about 1995, except in some inner cities like Chicago and Baltimore, we really should focus our efforts on violence in those inner cities. Does anyone have a problem with this?

  13. Boxcar Billy says:

    I’m a little disappointed you posted this, Joe, without any comment to guide your readers as to why. One can only assume you endorse the video’s message of self-policing and vigilante profiling of strange or deviant behavior (reminiscent of anticommunist rhetoric and Civil Defense public announcements from the 1950s, albeit with a depoliticized soundtrack to lull us into complacency). I’m sure you meant well–and were moved by sincerity–but you have a platform that allows you to project further than most. I think it would have been worth reviewing the criticisms of this framing of the message before proceeding i.e. it reduces a complex subject to a set of tropes that risk further alienating those who struggle with mental health while displacing responsibility onto the individual rather than the state. In the absence of meaningful gun legislation, has it come to this? Self-policing as a substitute for structural change?

    When the Bud Seligs of the world make similar simplistic claims while ignoring the wider context, yours is a voice of critique and nuance. As a longtime fan of your astute, impassioned writing, it would be nice to see you bring those formidable strengths to this issue. Politics never goes away; it’s embedded in everything we do, and everything we don’t do.

    • invitro says:

      Well hello there Fidel, I thought you died?

      • Boxcar Billy says:

        No, not really. But I guess when a dissenting view is painted with the ‘commie’ brush you help prove one of my points: when people with no expertise are tasked with identifying potential threats they say/do dumb things.

        So thanks for that. And let’s hope Joe gets back to that greatest baseball player list soon. Viva Joe!

        • invitro says:

          One of Fidel’s nephews, then?

          • Boxcar Billy says:

            That’s pretty funny. I like your above line: ‘That’s why I get sad/angry when silly things like this video show up, which are exploiting a real problem to make the uninformed feel better about themselves.’

            Sounds pretty commie to me. I guess we’re both related to Fidel.

            He was a baseball fan too.

          • invitro says:

            A baseball fan, to be sure, but not a pro baseball fan… “In 1960, he outlawed professional sports, ending the Cuban Winter League and forcing the Havana Sugar Kings to move.” (quote from bb-ref)

  14. shagster says:

    Precisely.

  15. Jazznball says:

    Thank you. I am reading this on Christmas morning and I am so thankful that people like you are in this world. Merry Christmas.

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