Comments on: Bobby V http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/ A Rough Draft Blog Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:53:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joe R http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-84131 Joe R Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:51:27 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-84131 Spud @ #29. Yeah, when Pujols leaves and LaRussa bails with him to avoid the risk of looking bad. Spud @ #29.

Yeah, when Pujols leaves and LaRussa bails with him to avoid the risk of looking bad.

]]> By: Spud http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83891 Spud Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:17:14 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83891 Cleveland hired Acta. Cardinals' job might become open one of these days though. Cleveland hired Acta.

Cardinals’ job might become open one of these days though.

]]> By: Joe R http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83522 Joe R Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:54:55 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83522 Bobby V would be a good sign for a team. Instant interest in the ballclub from the media, and by all accounts seems like a pretty solid manager. He would never do something like start a pitcher who historically can't get lefties out against a lineup full of elite left handed bats in an elimination game, or start Ronnie Belliard over Orlando Hudson, or leadoff with Rafael Furcal, or any of those things. Can't really think of any elite managers who would do that, though...unless I'm forgetting someone. Help me out here. Bobby V would be a good sign for a team. Instant interest in the ballclub from the media, and by all accounts seems like a pretty solid manager.

He would never do something like start a pitcher who historically can’t get lefties out against a lineup full of elite left handed bats in an elimination game, or start Ronnie Belliard over Orlando Hudson, or leadoff with Rafael Furcal, or any of those things. Can’t really think of any elite managers who would do that, though…unless I’m forgetting someone. Help me out here.

]]> By: Jeff Parker http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83404 Jeff Parker Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:17:44 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83404 When you have a chance to hire "one of the best baseball minds of his generation" you take it. That would be Trey Hillman not Bobby V. When you have a chance to hire “one of the best baseball minds of his generation” you take it. That would be Trey Hillman not Bobby V.

]]> By: BigSteve http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83272 BigSteve Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:19:14 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83272 Are you saying Valentine has intangibles? Are you saying Valentine has intangibles?

]]> By: Spud http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83269 Spud Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:30:41 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83269 Would never happen. KC's a great place but it's beneath guys like that, and not just because of the team's level. Valentine's major influence was Lasorda and Lasorda's, though he never played for him, was Leo Durocher (that's why Tommy wore #2). Here's what Durocher said in "Nice Guys Finish Last" about being offered a job managing the KC A's about 50 years ago: "Charley Finley called one morning to offer me a 3-year contract. The Athletics were playing the Yankees at Kansas City that night, and all Finley wanted me to do was hop right on a plane so that I could sign and be introduced to the press before the game started. Kansas City? What the hell was I going to do in Kansas City? I tried to be a little more diplomatic than that about it, but when Finley refused to believe that I was turning him down I brought the conversation to an end by saying, 'If I want a steak that badly, Mr. Finley, I'll send for it.'" Would never happen. KC’s a great place but it’s beneath guys like that, and not just because of the team’s level.

Valentine’s major influence was Lasorda and Lasorda’s, though he never played for him, was Leo Durocher (that’s why Tommy wore #2). Here’s what Durocher said in “Nice Guys Finish Last” about being offered a job managing the KC A’s about 50 years ago:

“Charley Finley called one morning to offer me a 3-year contract. The Athletics were playing the Yankees at Kansas City that night, and all Finley wanted me to do was hop right on a plane so that I could sign and be introduced to the press before the game started. Kansas City? What the hell was I going to do in Kansas City? I tried to be a little more diplomatic than that about it, but when Finley refused to believe that I was turning him down I brought the conversation to an end by saying, ‘If I want a steak that badly, Mr. Finley, I’ll send for it.’”

]]> By: patrick http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83268 patrick Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:09:06 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83268 marco....the indians arent selling off players bc they cant make ends meet. theyre trading players b/c they wont be around when the team is competitive so trading them is the smart thing to do. and i excluded Torre b/c he's an outlier, so, include him if you want, it helps my argument. and porcello got over $7 million in guarantees...i dont know why you wouldnt count his guaranteed money. marco….the indians arent selling off players bc they cant make ends meet. theyre trading players b/c they wont be around when the team is competitive so trading them is the smart thing to do.

and i excluded Torre b/c he’s an outlier, so, include him if you want, it helps my argument.

and porcello got over $7 million in guarantees…i dont know why you wouldnt count his guaranteed money.

]]> By: Mark Daniel http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83235 Mark Daniel Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:03:49 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83235 Justyo @20. That's why Bobby V would be a good addition, because guys like him would never take the job. That's the whole problem with the Royals. Nobody wants to go there. Going back to the Tigers example, they landed Pudge Rodriguez in '05 because they offered him 4 years. Nobody else wanted to give him that. Then they signed Magglio Ordonez for 5 years, $75 mil, with 2 option years that would bring the total to $105 million. He was available because he had a serious leg injury the previous year and nobody else wanted to take the risk on a long term contract. After '05, they signed Kenny Rogers, another player nobody wanted because of his age and his tendency to put the beat-down on camera guys. Detroit was a place nobody wanted to go, but the Tigers got it done by overpaying for damaged goods. Bobby V would take the Royals job, I'm sure, so long as he was paid enough for a long enough time, and so long as the Royals FO assured him they would commit to spending some money on free agents. The problem is the Royals won't do either of those things, and that's why he would never go to the Royals. Justyo @20. That’s why Bobby V would be a good addition, because guys like him would never take the job. That’s the whole problem with the Royals. Nobody wants to go there. Going back to the Tigers example, they landed Pudge Rodriguez in ‘05 because they offered him 4 years. Nobody else wanted to give him that. Then they signed Magglio Ordonez for 5 years, $75 mil, with 2 option years that would bring the total to $105 million. He was available because he had a serious leg injury the previous year and nobody else wanted to take the risk on a long term contract. After ‘05, they signed Kenny Rogers, another player nobody wanted because of his age and his tendency to put the beat-down on camera guys. Detroit was a place nobody wanted to go, but the Tigers got it done by overpaying for damaged goods. Bobby V would take the Royals job, I’m sure, so long as he was paid enough for a long enough time, and so long as the Royals FO assured him they would commit to spending some money on free agents. The problem is the Royals won’t do either of those things, and that’s why he would never go to the Royals.

]]> By: While We’re Waiting… Cribbs’ Contract, Bobby Valentine, and Creepy Quinn T-Shirts | WaitingForNextYear http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83229 While We’re Waiting… Cribbs’ Contract, Bobby Valentine, and Creepy Quinn T-Shirts | WaitingForNextYear Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:01:57 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83229 [...] Bobby V, anyone? “A few years ago, I pitched hard for Bobby Valentine to become the manager of the Kansas City Royals. I felt — and feel to this day — that he would be the PERFECT Royals manager. Here’s a team that has less money and fewer resources. For most people around baseball, the Royals are utterly irrelevant. Bobby V. would make the Royals matter. And, I suspect, he’d help them win too. [...] Now, the news: Bobby V is a finalist to be the manager of the Cleveland Indians. Well, that would be good too.” [Joe Posnanski] [...] [...] Bobby V, anyone? “A few years ago, I pitched hard for Bobby Valentine to become the manager of the Kansas City Royals. I felt — and feel to this day — that he would be the PERFECT Royals manager. Here’s a team that has less money and fewer resources. For most people around baseball, the Royals are utterly irrelevant. Bobby V. would make the Royals matter. And, I suspect, he’d help them win too. [...] Now, the news: Bobby V is a finalist to be the manager of the Cleveland Indians. Well, that would be good too.” [Joe Posnanski] [...]

]]> By: jay http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83145 jay Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:45:39 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/10/19/bobby-v/#comment-83145 I kind of get why Jerry Manuel gets a free pass on the 70-win season (heck, only Daniel Murphy, Luis Castillo and David Wright even managed 400 plate appearances this year), but Bobby V would be a fantastic fit for Mets. He knows the pressure of NY, did well with what I would judge as less talent than they have right now, and from what I've been reading the fans are actually pining for him. The Mets have bigger problems (health, what the heck to do at 1B... every starting pitcher not named Johan... every outfielder not named Beltran... relatedly, the fact they are putting faith in Jeff Francouer... David Wright's power outage... finding the world's best sports psychologist for Oliver Perez, etc.) but I think hiring Bobby V would not only be a smart baseball move but would also give a fan base that's been abused by the team the past few years a jolt of excitement (and God forbid the Yankees win the championship this year). I wonder if the Mets would think about bring back Pedro as well. And really, if the Mets came calling, there's no way Bobby V goes to Cleveland, right? Nothing against Cleveland (my dad loves his Indians) but Los Mets seem like a better situation to jump back into MLB. But no matter what happens, there's no way Bobby V manages the Royals. What a crazy fit that would be. He'd be wearing a paper bag over his head as a joke by midseason. I kind of get why Jerry Manuel gets a free pass on the 70-win season (heck, only Daniel Murphy, Luis Castillo and David Wright even managed 400 plate appearances this year), but Bobby V would be a fantastic fit for Mets. He knows the pressure of NY, did well with what I would judge as less talent than they have right now, and from what I’ve been reading the fans are actually pining for him.

The Mets have bigger problems (health, what the heck to do at 1B… every starting pitcher not named Johan… every outfielder not named Beltran… relatedly, the fact they are putting faith in Jeff Francouer… David Wright’s power outage… finding the world’s best sports psychologist for Oliver Perez, etc.) but I think hiring Bobby V would not only be a smart baseball move but would also give a fan base that’s been abused by the team the past few years a jolt of excitement (and God forbid the Yankees win the championship this year). I wonder if the Mets would think about bring back Pedro as well.

And really, if the Mets came calling, there’s no way Bobby V goes to Cleveland, right? Nothing against Cleveland (my dad loves his Indians) but Los Mets seem like a better situation to jump back into MLB.

But no matter what happens, there’s no way Bobby V manages the Royals. What a crazy fit that would be. He’d be wearing a paper bag over his head as a joke by midseason.

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