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		<title>By: EZ</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-89501</link>
		<dc:creator>EZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical.&quot; Yogi 
If baseball is such a mental game as many people would like to profess then why is it so difficult for people to grasp the concept that taking anti-depressants is a PED. We all glorify these guys for their mental &quot;toughness&quot; all the time and we talk about how important this is to be a great ballplayer. How is a persons mental makeup different from the physical makeup theyve inherited. Are we all so PC these days that we dont believe in mentally weak individuals anymore?  If one man is unable to handle the extreme pressure of the league without drugs what is so different vs a guy whos natural strength doesnt add up. If he takes roids or HGH hes a cheater and is demonized. Both are changing their &quot;natural&quot; attributes to enhance how they perform. Just wanted to throw that out there. The good drug/ bad drug debate in this country is comical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Baseball is 90% mental &#8212; the other half is physical.&#8221; Yogi<br />
If baseball is such a mental game as many people would like to profess then why is it so difficult for people to grasp the concept that taking anti-depressants is a PED. We all glorify these guys for their mental &#8220;toughness&#8221; all the time and we talk about how important this is to be a great ballplayer. How is a persons mental makeup different from the physical makeup theyve inherited. Are we all so PC these days that we dont believe in mentally weak individuals anymore?  If one man is unable to handle the extreme pressure of the league without drugs what is so different vs a guy whos natural strength doesnt add up. If he takes roids or HGH hes a cheater and is demonized. Both are changing their &#8220;natural&#8221; attributes to enhance how they perform. Just wanted to throw that out there. The good drug/ bad drug debate in this country is comical.</p>
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		<title>By: September Baseball (and a plug for Zack Greinke) &#124; Twins Fix</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-78982</link>
		<dc:creator>September Baseball (and a plug for Zack Greinke) &#124; Twins Fix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but I&#8217;ll leave that to more qualified people, namely, Joe Posnanski.  Posnanski has posted numerous arguments for Greinke for Cy, all of which I find extremely compelling.  For anyone who still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but I&#8217;ll leave that to more qualified people, namely, Joe Posnanski.  Posnanski has posted numerous arguments for Greinke for Cy, all of which I find extremely compelling.  For anyone who still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reasons to keep watching&#160;/&#160; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-77898</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasons to keep watching&#160;/&#160; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] season has been well documented and I think last nights 6 inning, 2 hits, 0 runs performance against the Red Sox probably clinched [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] season has been well documented and I think last nights 6 inning, 2 hits, 0 runs performance against the Red Sox probably clinched [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Rookies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Greinke can&#8217;t do QUITE everything&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-77883</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rookies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Greinke can&#8217;t do QUITE everything&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That argument shouldn’t need to be made anymore. It’s so painfully obvious to people who know better, and if BBWAA voters give the award to someone else, it’s a damnation of their relevance, not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That argument shouldn’t need to be made anymore. It’s so painfully obvious to people who know better, and if BBWAA voters give the award to someone else, it’s a damnation of their relevance, not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Live Blog: Red Sox vs. Royals 9-22 &#124; Sports of Boston</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-77619</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Blog: Red Sox vs. Royals 9-22 &#124; Sports of Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tonight we face obvious Cy Young favorite Zach Greinke. Having to face Greinke instead of some of the Royals other starters is like having the chamber [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tonight we face obvious Cy Young favorite Zach Greinke. Having to face Greinke instead of some of the Royals other starters is like having the chamber [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-77588</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other point about fun with numbers.  Part of why the 1960s are perhaps underrepresented in the 200/200/200 list is because of the nature of ERA+.

When the league as a whole is pitching better because of a confluence of events, it makes it harder to achieve a 200 ERA+ because the average gets so much better.  And in the 1960s, lots of things were making it a pitcher&#039;s era.

The strike zone was larger.  Mounds were higher.  And perhaps most importantly, new larger stadiums were in vogue.  The Astrodome was such a pitcher&#039;s park that it probably cost Jose Cruz a well deserved shot at the HOF.  Ebbet&#039;s Field had morphed into Dodger Stadium.  Shea Stadium was a mild pitcher&#039;s park.

Go to b-ref and sort NL on ERA.  The first three seasons after WWII to come up were all in the 1960s.  1968 is surrounded by dead ball years, the only year after 1920 with a NL ERA under 3.00.  All told, 5 seasons with those pitching rules are the best modern pitching seasons.  The AL yields similar results.

The thing is, when you improve the average, it&#039;s harder than ever to achieve an ERA+ of 200.  The highest league ERA of the 1960s was 4.03, and the numbers are consistent between the NL and the AL, which is lower than the lowest league ERA Pedro Martinez ever pitched in.

I&#039;m not saying that Pedro wasn&#039;t great.  I&#039;m just saying that mathematically, everything is done in a context, and Pedro&#039;s came at a time when it was easier to achieve 200+ ERA+ in some part because the bar was set so low by the leagues in which he pitched.

You could argue (with some validity) that this meant Pedro was facing tougher opposition overall, which is why he deserves his high ERA+.  I&#039;m in no way trying to demean Pedro, or for that matter Greinke.  But what this really says (to me) is that Gibson&#039;s achievement (for a single season) was worth more.  And you could probably argue that Big Train and Pete and Christy had to work even harder to get an ERA+ of 200 back in their times of dead balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other point about fun with numbers.  Part of why the 1960s are perhaps underrepresented in the 200/200/200 list is because of the nature of ERA+.</p>
<p>When the league as a whole is pitching better because of a confluence of events, it makes it harder to achieve a 200 ERA+ because the average gets so much better.  And in the 1960s, lots of things were making it a pitcher&#8217;s era.</p>
<p>The strike zone was larger.  Mounds were higher.  And perhaps most importantly, new larger stadiums were in vogue.  The Astrodome was such a pitcher&#8217;s park that it probably cost Jose Cruz a well deserved shot at the HOF.  Ebbet&#8217;s Field had morphed into Dodger Stadium.  Shea Stadium was a mild pitcher&#8217;s park.</p>
<p>Go to b-ref and sort NL on ERA.  The first three seasons after WWII to come up were all in the 1960s.  1968 is surrounded by dead ball years, the only year after 1920 with a NL ERA under 3.00.  All told, 5 seasons with those pitching rules are the best modern pitching seasons.  The AL yields similar results.</p>
<p>The thing is, when you improve the average, it&#8217;s harder than ever to achieve an ERA+ of 200.  The highest league ERA of the 1960s was 4.03, and the numbers are consistent between the NL and the AL, which is lower than the lowest league ERA Pedro Martinez ever pitched in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Pedro wasn&#8217;t great.  I&#8217;m just saying that mathematically, everything is done in a context, and Pedro&#8217;s came at a time when it was easier to achieve 200+ ERA+ in some part because the bar was set so low by the leagues in which he pitched.</p>
<p>You could argue (with some validity) that this meant Pedro was facing tougher opposition overall, which is why he deserves his high ERA+.  I&#8217;m in no way trying to demean Pedro, or for that matter Greinke.  But what this really says (to me) is that Gibson&#8217;s achievement (for a single season) was worth more.  And you could probably argue that Big Train and Pete and Christy had to work even harder to get an ERA+ of 200 back in their times of dead balls.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/09/18/200-200-200-seasons/#comment-77581</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent @ 75: don&#039;t be a Gammons.  Look up the numbers, don&#039;t make up the numbers.  Mike Marshall went on to pitch back to back seasons with a high CYA finish, ERA of 2.65 or less, and 99 and 142 IP, in 1978-79.  He also made an AS team the year after he pitched 200 innings.  His arm fell off in 1980, at the age of 37.

What steams me is that Mike Marshall was one of the smartest pitchers ever.  He has a doctorate in kinesiology.   He wants to help pitchers refine their pitching motion for less strain, and his career is a shining example of competence at pitching all the time without breaking down much.  And yet nobody in baseball is willing to hire him, or send him somebody like Hong Chi Kuo, a guy with great stuff who has trouble staying healthy, to see if maybe Iron Mike can find a way to keep the arm sound.

Interesting to note that Marshall threw 115 or more innings four times in his career (all in relief), leading his league in games pitched each time, and was high in the CYA all four times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent @ 75: don&#8217;t be a Gammons.  Look up the numbers, don&#8217;t make up the numbers.  Mike Marshall went on to pitch back to back seasons with a high CYA finish, ERA of 2.65 or less, and 99 and 142 IP, in 1978-79.  He also made an AS team the year after he pitched 200 innings.  His arm fell off in 1980, at the age of 37.</p>
<p>What steams me is that Mike Marshall was one of the smartest pitchers ever.  He has a doctorate in kinesiology.   He wants to help pitchers refine their pitching motion for less strain, and his career is a shining example of competence at pitching all the time without breaking down much.  And yet nobody in baseball is willing to hire him, or send him somebody like Hong Chi Kuo, a guy with great stuff who has trouble staying healthy, to see if maybe Iron Mike can find a way to keep the arm sound.</p>
<p>Interesting to note that Marshall threw 115 or more innings four times in his career (all in relief), leading his league in games pitched each time, and was high in the CYA all four times.</p>
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		<title>By: regis</title>
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		<dc:creator>regis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Peter Gammons&#039; remark about Greinke not pitching against certain clubs this season, shouldn&#039;t Sabathia be punished as well for not pitching against the best team in the American League?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Peter Gammons&#8217; remark about Greinke not pitching against certain clubs this season, shouldn&#8217;t Sabathia be punished as well for not pitching against the best team in the American League?</p>
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		<title>By: JasonL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the Beatles party here, but a few fun facts:

1. The L/M songwriting team was a team in name only. Though there were some exceptions (A Day in the Life, notably), the vast majority of their songs were written by Lennon or McCartney, not both.

2. L&amp;M were the alpha dogs in the Beatles. This meant they could veto George songs. While My Guitar Gently Weeps only made it because Harrison got Eric Clapton to play on it. Lots of his songs did not make it, and for a full picture of his genius, you really need to listen to All Things Must Pass which consists almost entirely of songs Lennon &amp; McCartney wouldn&#039;t put on Beatles records and is also, amazingly brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the Beatles party here, but a few fun facts:</p>
<p>1. The L/M songwriting team was a team in name only. Though there were some exceptions (A Day in the Life, notably), the vast majority of their songs were written by Lennon or McCartney, not both.</p>
<p>2. L&amp;M were the alpha dogs in the Beatles. This meant they could veto George songs. While My Guitar Gently Weeps only made it because Harrison got Eric Clapton to play on it. Lots of his songs did not make it, and for a full picture of his genius, you really need to listen to All Things Must Pass which consists almost entirely of songs Lennon &amp; McCartney wouldn&#8217;t put on Beatles records and is also, amazingly brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my thought this morning:  Felix Hernandez wins the Cy.  

Greinke and Hernandez are the two horsemen of the apocolypse this year:  Both enjoying excellent seasons pitching for cellar dweller teams.  Mention one as a maybe getting snubbed in Cy Young balloting and you have to mention the other.  Well, okay, but the thing is that King Felix just won his 16th game last night.  If he gets 17 or 18 wins and Zack stays stuck at 14 or 15, well, I think Felix wins.

Look, the groundwork has already been laid.  Everyone writes about how good these guys are, and how unfair it will be if they both get snubbed in the Cy balloting just because their teams suck, and yadda yadda yadda.  Great.  So by picking Hernandez the voters get a guy with more than 15 wins...plus they get to recognize a pitcher who everyone has been hyping for four years as the next great thing...plus they get to nod at all the internet peoples who jump up and down about win totals skewing vote tallies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my thought this morning:  Felix Hernandez wins the Cy.  </p>
<p>Greinke and Hernandez are the two horsemen of the apocolypse this year:  Both enjoying excellent seasons pitching for cellar dweller teams.  Mention one as a maybe getting snubbed in Cy Young balloting and you have to mention the other.  Well, okay, but the thing is that King Felix just won his 16th game last night.  If he gets 17 or 18 wins and Zack stays stuck at 14 or 15, well, I think Felix wins.</p>
<p>Look, the groundwork has already been laid.  Everyone writes about how good these guys are, and how unfair it will be if they both get snubbed in the Cy balloting just because their teams suck, and yadda yadda yadda.  Great.  So by picking Hernandez the voters get a guy with more than 15 wins&#8230;plus they get to recognize a pitcher who everyone has been hyping for four years as the next great thing&#8230;plus they get to nod at all the internet peoples who jump up and down about win totals skewing vote tallies.</p>
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