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	<title>Comments on: Bugging Harold Reynolds</title>
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		<title>By: Baserunners are Bad, Bad &#171; Here&#39;s a Guy With a Blog</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-94578</link>
		<dc:creator>Baserunners are Bad, Bad &#171; Here&#39;s a Guy With a Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is dissected much better by Joe Posnanski, so we recommend that you read that piece, too, as well of all his other posts, which blow anything [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-74641</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll still give Harold Reynolds credit for calling the end of the 2001 World Series before it happened(ball to the short outfield).</description>
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		<title>By: I was going to get a blog out before I went on vacation&#8230; &#124; Capitol Avenue Club</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-66314</link>
		<dc:creator>I was going to get a blog out before I went on vacation&#8230; &#124; Capitol Avenue Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reynolds Presents: Enjoy it for what it&#8217;s worth&#8221;.  And something even funnier?  Joe Posnanski&#8217;s response.  I didn&#8217;t out-do Posnanski, but this was my response to Harold&#8217;s piece (which can be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reynolds Presents: Enjoy it for what it&#8217;s worth&#8221;.  And something even funnier?  Joe Posnanski&#8217;s response.  I didn&#8217;t out-do Posnanski, but this was my response to Harold&#8217;s piece (which can be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VanderBirch</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64204</link>
		<dc:creator>VanderBirch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then he should write from an ex-jock&#039;s perspective. HR shouldn&#039;t talk about stats or analysis if he is just going to dredge up tired and incorrect memes- you write crap, you should be called on it. 

HR seems like a nice guy and I don&#039;t find him unbearable like Steve Phillips. But he should either provide some interesting insider/ex-player insight or actually do some goddamn research. It does bug me somewhat that much of baseball is so anti-intellectual that a guy pulling a very substantial paycheck doesn&#039;t feel it necessary to actually put in some work on the product he produces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then he should write from an ex-jock&#8217;s perspective. HR shouldn&#8217;t talk about stats or analysis if he is just going to dredge up tired and incorrect memes- you write crap, you should be called on it. </p>
<p>HR seems like a nice guy and I don&#8217;t find him unbearable like Steve Phillips. But he should either provide some interesting insider/ex-player insight or actually do some goddamn research. It does bug me somewhat that much of baseball is so anti-intellectual that a guy pulling a very substantial paycheck doesn&#8217;t feel it necessary to actually put in some work on the product he produces.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64184</link>
		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but come on. Reynolds is an ex-jock hired to give an ex-jock&#039;s perspective on the game, which as we know is frequently very different from what us folks open to sabermetrics think.

There are guys going around presenting themselves as professional sports journalists right there in Kansas City, who do a terrible job. I think Joe ought to pick apart some of their garbage, rather than Fisk an (admittedly very dumb) article by a former player who is not a professional writer.

You&#039;re right to say that Joe didn&#039;t attack Reynolds personally; he&#039;s too nice a guy to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but come on. Reynolds is an ex-jock hired to give an ex-jock&#8217;s perspective on the game, which as we know is frequently very different from what us folks open to sabermetrics think.</p>
<p>There are guys going around presenting themselves as professional sports journalists right there in Kansas City, who do a terrible job. I think Joe ought to pick apart some of their garbage, rather than Fisk an (admittedly very dumb) article by a former player who is not a professional writer.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right to say that Joe didn&#8217;t attack Reynolds personally; he&#8217;s too nice a guy to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64177</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@random

You&#039;re thinking way to hard about this.  OPS is just a toy that gives you a very rough estimation of what kind of a hitter a given player is.  As with all stats, if you understand its&#039; limitations than you won&#039;t get in trouble.  Guys with low OPS&#039;s are bad at both...Mid-one or the other or mediocre at both...High-good at both.

However, it&#039;s far from a good measure, b/c OBP is by far the more valuable component.  Any individual with a sophisticated understanding of sabermetrics wouldn&#039;t use OPS to prove anything about a guy.  wOBA or BABIP or batted ball percentages are better metrics.

@MAF

Sites like FJM.com existed because people within the baseball-writing community are often too lazy or too incompetent or whatever to actually look things up and learn about their game.  They assume they&#039;ve got it figured out or the people who do have things figured out, and therefore they bang out lazy, prepackaged stories...&quot;David Eckstein is small, but golly he tries hard.  That makes him good!&quot;  &quot;ARod/Beltran/whoever isn&#039;t clutch and isn&#039;t a guy you want b/c they have no passion!&quot; &quot;Stats don&#039;t tell you every thing about a player...look at W/L and RBI to learn about one!&quot;

And so on...Whether HR or a crony wrote the blog post is irrelevent because it&#039;s the same, unintelligent dribble that we&#039;ve been hearing about for years.  To make matters worse, HR/whoever crushes stats people without bothering to REALLY understand OPS and it&#039;s limitations or even bothering to note that no one at fangraphs or BP or whatever will rely on OPS in the first place.  Bottom line...HR/someone did a crappy job and needs to be called on it, or else said crappy product will find it&#039;s way out there again.

Note---this is why Joe Poz is so friggin&#039; awesome...he&#039;s got an open mind and sees baseball as it is, not as some kind of contest of whose grit is the gritiest.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re thinking way to hard about this.  OPS is just a toy that gives you a very rough estimation of what kind of a hitter a given player is.  As with all stats, if you understand its&#8217; limitations than you won&#8217;t get in trouble.  Guys with low OPS&#8217;s are bad at both&#8230;Mid-one or the other or mediocre at both&#8230;High-good at both.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s far from a good measure, b/c OBP is by far the more valuable component.  Any individual with a sophisticated understanding of sabermetrics wouldn&#8217;t use OPS to prove anything about a guy.  wOBA or BABIP or batted ball percentages are better metrics.</p>
<p>@MAF</p>
<p>Sites like FJM.com existed because people within the baseball-writing community are often too lazy or too incompetent or whatever to actually look things up and learn about their game.  They assume they&#8217;ve got it figured out or the people who do have things figured out, and therefore they bang out lazy, prepackaged stories&#8230;&#8221;David Eckstein is small, but golly he tries hard.  That makes him good!&#8221;  &#8220;ARod/Beltran/whoever isn&#8217;t clutch and isn&#8217;t a guy you want b/c they have no passion!&#8221; &#8220;Stats don&#8217;t tell you every thing about a player&#8230;look at W/L and RBI to learn about one!&#8221;</p>
<p>And so on&#8230;Whether HR or a crony wrote the blog post is irrelevent because it&#8217;s the same, unintelligent dribble that we&#8217;ve been hearing about for years.  To make matters worse, HR/whoever crushes stats people without bothering to REALLY understand OPS and it&#8217;s limitations or even bothering to note that no one at fangraphs or BP or whatever will rely on OPS in the first place.  Bottom line&#8230;HR/someone did a crappy job and needs to be called on it, or else said crappy product will find it&#8217;s way out there again.</p>
<p>Note&#8212;this is why Joe Poz is so friggin&#8217; awesome&#8230;he&#8217;s got an open mind and sees baseball as it is, not as some kind of contest of whose grit is the gritiest.</p>
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		<title>By: corymw</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64175</link>
		<dc:creator>corymw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juancho... man, you must love Harold Reynolds... Joe didn&#039;t really attack him, he is actually helping the readers out by understanding what Harold has written. If ex-ball players write about stats and publish it, then they are as open to criticism as a statistician who writes about, say... brain surgery. So, put down the hater-trailmix and have a laugh. JEEZ... mean while Joe can just polish his awards and crank out another clever blog or column in his sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juancho&#8230; man, you must love Harold Reynolds&#8230; Joe didn&#8217;t really attack him, he is actually helping the readers out by understanding what Harold has written. If ex-ball players write about stats and publish it, then they are as open to criticism as a statistician who writes about, say&#8230; brain surgery. So, put down the hater-trailmix and have a laugh. JEEZ&#8230; mean while Joe can just polish his awards and crank out another clever blog or column in his sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: Baseball: Stats all, folks : Sports Media Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baseball: Stats all, folks : Sports Media Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] City Star columnist Joe Posnanski has a wonderfully off-the-wall reaction to Reynolds&#8217; post in his own blog. Thanks to Deadspin for pointing these [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64150</link>
		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe is right in saying that whoever wrote what was published under Reynolds&#039; name is a dope. Joe&#039;s critics are right in saying that Harold Reynolds is an ex-ballplayer, not a statistician. I kind of agree with the critics. Save the carve-ups and the Fisking for all the rotten professional sports writers out there, those who do their job poorly, like a couple of those hanging around KC. Give guys like Reynolds, who are comparatively non-obnoxious (at least compared to McCarver or Kruk), a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is right in saying that whoever wrote what was published under Reynolds&#8217; name is a dope. Joe&#8217;s critics are right in saying that Harold Reynolds is an ex-ballplayer, not a statistician. I kind of agree with the critics. Save the carve-ups and the Fisking for all the rotten professional sports writers out there, those who do their job poorly, like a couple of those hanging around KC. Give guys like Reynolds, who are comparatively non-obnoxious (at least compared to McCarver or Kruk), a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Daniel</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/06/19/bugging-harold-reynolds/#comment-64149</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, leave Harold Reynolds alone.  I like him.</description>
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