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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59814</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Wintheiser:

If Fernando&#039;s ERA was 0.33 through six starts, then the league ERA would have to be 3.88 for him to have an ERA+ of 1173.  

The league average *ended* up at 3.49, as you note.  So I&#039;d say it&#039;s possible, but not probable, that his ERA+ was better than 1173.  

Very close, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Wintheiser:</p>
<p>If Fernando&#8217;s ERA was 0.33 through six starts, then the league ERA would have to be 3.88 for him to have an ERA+ of 1173.  </p>
<p>The league average *ended* up at 3.49, as you note.  So I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s possible, but not probable, that his ERA+ was better than 1173.  </p>
<p>Very close, though!</p>
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		<title>By: David in NYC</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59743</link>
		<dc:creator>David in NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Greinke have a &quot;be&quot; pitch like Satchel Paige?

As in, &quot;That pitch be where I want it to be.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Greinke have a &#8220;be&#8221; pitch like Satchel Paige?</p>
<p>As in, &#8220;That pitch be where I want it to be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nitpicker</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59700</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitpicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - I think you need to double check your math on fact #9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; I think you need to double check your math on fact #9.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59669</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To jump on an emerging meme:
Zack Greinke once struck out the side on seven pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To jump on an emerging meme:<br />
Zack Greinke once struck out the side on seven pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Topics about England-places &#187; Greinke fun facts</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59643</link>
		<dc:creator>Topics about England-places &#187; Greinke fun facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shin Densetsu put an intriguing blog post on Greinke fun facts Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt2. There have been two complete game shutouts thrown in the American League this year. Greinke threw both of them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shin Densetsu put an intriguing blog post on Greinke fun facts Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt2. There have been two complete game shutouts thrown in the American League this year. Greinke threw both of them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Wintheiser</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59634</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wintheiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1981, Fernando Valenzuela pitched arguably better than Zack Greinke. He had four shutouts, and in each of his other two starts he allowed just one earned run. One of those was a complete game, the other was a 1-1 tie after 9 where the Dodgers scored five in the top of the 10th off of Bill Gullickson (thus giving Fernando the W). There&#039;s no indication of what Valenzuela&#039;s ERA+ was, but it&#039;s possible that it was lower than 1173, simply because the league ERA was lower back then.

Valenzuela&#039;s seventh start, by the way, was another shutout, then he allowed two runs in his eighth start, also a complete game.

8 GS, 4 SHO, 7 CG, 72 IP, 4 ER, 0.50 ERA

Fernando doesn&#039;t make Joe&#039;s list of nine consecutive wins in starts, because he didn&#039;t start any games in 1980, and his ninth start in 1981 was a loss -- he did allow 4 ER, but the Dodgers were shut out by the immortal Marty Bystrom, so it&#039;s possible Fernando would have lost even if he&#039;d only allowed one run.

Good to see Greinke doing so well, but nobody keeps up this kind of pace -- for the rest of the 1981 season (including the first loss), Valenzuela was 8-9 with a 3.66 ERA, in a season where the league average ERA was 3.49.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1981, Fernando Valenzuela pitched arguably better than Zack Greinke. He had four shutouts, and in each of his other two starts he allowed just one earned run. One of those was a complete game, the other was a 1-1 tie after 9 where the Dodgers scored five in the top of the 10th off of Bill Gullickson (thus giving Fernando the W). There&#8217;s no indication of what Valenzuela&#8217;s ERA+ was, but it&#8217;s possible that it was lower than 1173, simply because the league ERA was lower back then.</p>
<p>Valenzuela&#8217;s seventh start, by the way, was another shutout, then he allowed two runs in his eighth start, also a complete game.</p>
<p>8 GS, 4 SHO, 7 CG, 72 IP, 4 ER, 0.50 ERA</p>
<p>Fernando doesn&#8217;t make Joe&#8217;s list of nine consecutive wins in starts, because he didn&#8217;t start any games in 1980, and his ninth start in 1981 was a loss &#8212; he did allow 4 ER, but the Dodgers were shut out by the immortal Marty Bystrom, so it&#8217;s possible Fernando would have lost even if he&#8217;d only allowed one run.</p>
<p>Good to see Greinke doing so well, but nobody keeps up this kind of pace &#8212; for the rest of the 1981 season (including the first loss), Valenzuela was 8-9 with a 3.66 ERA, in a season where the league average ERA was 3.49.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dodgers would have had to do some fancy maneuvering to get Valenzuela on the 1980 playoff roster as he didn&#039;t make his debut until Sept. 15 (the rule at the time was on the roster or DL as of Aug. 31). Of course, the loophole was discovered around that time or shortly after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dodgers would have had to do some fancy maneuvering to get Valenzuela on the 1980 playoff roster as he didn&#8217;t make his debut until Sept. 15 (the rule at the time was on the roster or DL as of Aug. 31). Of course, the loophole was discovered around that time or shortly after.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Zack Greinke does push ups he doesn&#039;t push himself up, he pushes the earth down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Zack Greinke does push ups he doesn&#8217;t push himself up, he pushes the earth down.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik in NYC:

Webster&#039;s On line disagrees with you on the pronunciation (well, not entirely, it lists your version 2nd, my version 1st and an even different way with a W sound in there somewhere 3rd)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik in NYC:</p>
<p>Webster&#8217;s On line disagrees with you on the pronunciation (well, not entirely, it lists your version 2nd, my version 1st and an even different way with a W sound in there somewhere 3rd)</p>
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		<title>By: Erik in NYC</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/05/greinke-fun-facts/#comment-59622</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik in NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:limerick... &#039;zounds&#039; doesn&#039;t rhyme with &#039;mound.&#039; it&#039;s pronounced zoonds... (stands for god&#039;s wounds)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:limerick&#8230; &#8216;zounds&#8217; doesn&#8217;t rhyme with &#8216;mound.&#8217; it&#8217;s pronounced zoonds&#8230; (stands for god&#8217;s wounds)&#8230;</p>
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