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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about the money folks. Integrity and self honesty and responsibility is a thing of the past. The one exception to this seems to be golf, and you are self umpired there. at least I hope it is an exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about the money folks. Integrity and self honesty and responsibility is a thing of the past. The one exception to this seems to be golf, and you are self umpired there. at least I hope it is an exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A basketball player falls to the court when someone is driving toward the basket. â€œHe ran into me!â€
*** immediately thought of Vlade Divac trying to defend Shaq ***


Kia is the auto industry&#039;s version of Private Labeling. They seem to clone everyone else&#039;s successful cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A basketball player falls to the court when someone is driving toward the basket. â€œHe ran into me!â€<br />
*** immediately thought of Vlade Divac trying to defend Shaq ***</p>
<p>Kia is the auto industry&#8217;s version of Private Labeling. They seem to clone everyone else&#8217;s successful cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Daniel</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/04/lies-and-damned-lies/#comment-59589</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another type of lie, courtesy of Norm MacDonald:
&quot;Did you ever lie for no reason at all? Just all of sudden, a big lie spills out of your evil head. Like a guy will come up to you, &#039;Hey, did you ever see that movie with Meryl Streep and a horse?&#039; And you go, &#039;Yes.&#039; In the back of your head, you&#039;re like, &#039;What in the hell am I lying about over here? I stand to gain nothing by this lie.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another type of lie, courtesy of Norm MacDonald:<br />
&#8220;Did you ever lie for no reason at all? Just all of sudden, a big lie spills out of your evil head. Like a guy will come up to you, &#8216;Hey, did you ever see that movie with Meryl Streep and a horse?&#8217; And you go, &#8216;Yes.&#8217; In the back of your head, you&#8217;re like, &#8216;What in the hell am I lying about over here? I stand to gain nothing by this lie.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick comment on diving in football (soccer).

Unfortunately it is seen as an acceptable part of the game in most of Europe/South America and often players will be praised for their &quot;cunning&quot;.
Herer in England/Britain diving is seen as a terrible part of the game that should be driven out. However with the arrival of so many foreign players it has slowly crept into the game a lot more although it is still considered cheating and foul play. One of the worst recent cases was when Robert Pires dived to win a penalty for Arsenal a few years ago. What made the offense worse was that upon viewing the replay it could be seen that Pires not only dived but had actually flung his foot into the defending players as he fell to make it look like a foul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick comment on diving in football (soccer).</p>
<p>Unfortunately it is seen as an acceptable part of the game in most of Europe/South America and often players will be praised for their &#8220;cunning&#8221;.<br />
Herer in England/Britain diving is seen as a terrible part of the game that should be driven out. However with the arrival of so many foreign players it has slowly crept into the game a lot more although it is still considered cheating and foul play. One of the worst recent cases was when Robert Pires dived to win a penalty for Arsenal a few years ago. What made the offense worse was that upon viewing the replay it could be seen that Pires not only dived but had actually flung his foot into the defending players as he fell to make it look like a foul.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a couple of years ago when Milwall won the fair play award for good sporting behaviour. They had been playing against Leicester (I think, may have been a different team) and were taking a throw-in after the ball had been put out of play due to an injury to a Leicester player. As is customary Milwall kicked the ball back towards the Leicester goal to give play back to the opposition but the keeper was out of place and the ball ended up going in. Instead of capitalising on this good fortune though Milwall chose to let a Leicester player run through from kick-off and score an immediate equaliser to even things out. Thats good sportsmanship.

Paolo Di Canio also did a similar thing whilst palying for West Ham a few years back as well. He was passed the ball and had the goal at his mercy but upon seeing that the goalkeeper was down injured he put the ball out of play for a throw-in rather than score. I believe that Di Canio was awarded a fair play award for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a couple of years ago when Milwall won the fair play award for good sporting behaviour. They had been playing against Leicester (I think, may have been a different team) and were taking a throw-in after the ball had been put out of play due to an injury to a Leicester player. As is customary Milwall kicked the ball back towards the Leicester goal to give play back to the opposition but the keeper was out of place and the ball ended up going in. Instead of capitalising on this good fortune though Milwall chose to let a Leicester player run through from kick-off and score an immediate equaliser to even things out. Thats good sportsmanship.</p>
<p>Paolo Di Canio also did a similar thing whilst palying for West Ham a few years back as well. He was passed the ball and had the goal at his mercy but upon seeing that the goalkeeper was down injured he put the ball out of play for a throw-in rather than score. I believe that Di Canio was awarded a fair play award for this.</p>
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		<title>By: jjcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>jjcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is that when I chased a ball to the wall I was hoping for a good carom and seldom knew if the ball was over or under the line, I grabbed the ball and threw it to the cut-off man. the decision on home run or not was not mine, my job was to get the ball to the infield as quickly as possible.
That was also true on fair/foul balls, strikes or ball, safe or out. Not my decision, play it out.
I did once tell the umpire that the pitch did not hit me. He told me it had and to take my base. I was certain at the time that if I had done anything other that take my base he would have thrown me out of the game.
Pride is a wonderful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is that when I chased a ball to the wall I was hoping for a good carom and seldom knew if the ball was over or under the line, I grabbed the ball and threw it to the cut-off man. the decision on home run or not was not mine, my job was to get the ball to the infield as quickly as possible.<br />
That was also true on fair/foul balls, strikes or ball, safe or out. Not my decision, play it out.<br />
I did once tell the umpire that the pitch did not hit me. He told me it had and to take my base. I was certain at the time that if I had done anything other that take my base he would have thrown me out of the game.<br />
Pride is a wonderful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Elon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating topic.  Transcends Sports.  

Ever see a 3 year old lie??  Adorable and sad at the same time. 

Sports figures, despite Barkley commercials, are role models.  When they lie it sends off the wrong message paticularly about sportsmanship.  

So is it a good lie or a bad lie??

I dont know. 

Speaking of lying - according to G. Larson &amp; W. Oldham - police officers right to lie has been upheld by the Supreme Court numerous times.  According to them, lying is an invaluable, irreplacable means of collecting information.  

So, if some poor kid is being interrogated then three detectives get to tell him:  We have your prints (lie) Your buddies just ratted you out (lie) and we know you did this (lie).  Now if you want to get out of this mess all you have to do is sign this confession.  (lie) 

Are these good lies or bad lies??  I am not smart enough to figure that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating topic.  Transcends Sports.  </p>
<p>Ever see a 3 year old lie??  Adorable and sad at the same time. </p>
<p>Sports figures, despite Barkley commercials, are role models.  When they lie it sends off the wrong message paticularly about sportsmanship.  </p>
<p>So is it a good lie or a bad lie??</p>
<p>I dont know. </p>
<p>Speaking of lying &#8211; according to G. Larson &amp; W. Oldham &#8211; police officers right to lie has been upheld by the Supreme Court numerous times.  According to them, lying is an invaluable, irreplacable means of collecting information.  </p>
<p>So, if some poor kid is being interrogated then three detectives get to tell him:  We have your prints (lie) Your buddies just ratted you out (lie) and we know you did this (lie).  Now if you want to get out of this mess all you have to do is sign this confession.  (lie) </p>
<p>Are these good lies or bad lies??  I am not smart enough to figure that out.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To gain competative advantage by lieing, isn&#039;t that what Ken Lay did or am I just comparing apples to oranges?

On the otherside of it, when was the last time you noticed you were speeding on the road, and then drove to the police station to go let them know to give you a ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To gain competative advantage by lieing, isn&#8217;t that what Ken Lay did or am I just comparing apples to oranges?</p>
<p>On the otherside of it, when was the last time you noticed you were speeding on the road, and then drove to the police station to go let them know to give you a ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Steve.  We need to look at both sides of the equation here.  On the one side, you have a manager being badgered with a lot of questions, some of which, if answered truthfully, would probably put his team at a competitive disadvantage.  On the other hand, you have a pack of badgers asking questions on things that may or may not be matters of legitimate public concern.  If I&#039;m Joakim, I don&#039;t want my manager telling the badgers I&#039;m hurt and there may well be federal laws preventing the manager from doing so.  But if Trey says &quot;no comment&quot; or &quot;I&#039;m not allowed to talk about that&quot; when he&#039;s asked if Joakim is hurt, then the natural conclusion will be that he is hurt but the manager just doesn&#039;t want to admit it.  And the White Sox, Indians, et al. will also jump to the same conclusion.  So what should Trey do in that situation?  With some questions it&#039;s easy to get indignant and simply say:  &quot;I&#039;m not answering that&quot;.  Indeed, with some questions, you&#039;re better off saying that as opposed to trying to answer.  For example, &quot;When did you stop beating your kids?&quot; is a question that is best left alone under all circumstances.  But as the questions move closer and closer toward legitimacy, then the ability to answer without divulging and without lying becomes harder and harder.  Politicians are masters at this game.  Baseball managers are not, so maybe the badgers could cut the managers some slack by not trying to force them into a situation where they either have to lie or look stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Steve.  We need to look at both sides of the equation here.  On the one side, you have a manager being badgered with a lot of questions, some of which, if answered truthfully, would probably put his team at a competitive disadvantage.  On the other hand, you have a pack of badgers asking questions on things that may or may not be matters of legitimate public concern.  If I&#8217;m Joakim, I don&#8217;t want my manager telling the badgers I&#8217;m hurt and there may well be federal laws preventing the manager from doing so.  But if Trey says &#8220;no comment&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m not allowed to talk about that&#8221; when he&#8217;s asked if Joakim is hurt, then the natural conclusion will be that he is hurt but the manager just doesn&#8217;t want to admit it.  And the White Sox, Indians, et al. will also jump to the same conclusion.  So what should Trey do in that situation?  With some questions it&#8217;s easy to get indignant and simply say:  &#8220;I&#8217;m not answering that&#8221;.  Indeed, with some questions, you&#8217;re better off saying that as opposed to trying to answer.  For example, &#8220;When did you stop beating your kids?&#8221; is a question that is best left alone under all circumstances.  But as the questions move closer and closer toward legitimacy, then the ability to answer without divulging and without lying becomes harder and harder.  Politicians are masters at this game.  Baseball managers are not, so maybe the badgers could cut the managers some slack by not trying to force them into a situation where they either have to lie or look stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once upon a time, the rules of baseball mandated sportsmanlike play and umpires were supposed to poll players and fans if they were uncertain of a call.  But those rules seem to have been removed.

&lt;i&gt;Not removed is:  Players in uniform shall not address or mingle with spectators, nor sit in the stands before, during, or after a game. No manager, coach or player shall address any spectator before or during a game. Players of opposing teams shall not fraternize at any time while in uniform.  So it seems that Manny Ramirez&#039;s hand slap of the fan when he caught that long fly in left a year ago or so would violate the &quot;address or mingle spectators&quot; rule, even though it was one of the coolest plays I&#039;ve ever seen.  But I digress. &lt;/i&gt;

What I&#039;d like to see is a return to those halcyon days of yesteryear, and force players to be honest and sportsmanlike with a one week suspension for violation of those rules.  Trap a fly ball and act like you caught it?  Get a week off.  Play a fair ball like it was foul?  Week off.  Play the homer like it was a double?  Week off.  Fake getting hit by a pitch?  Pretend that the ball hit the dirt before the catcher caught it?  A. J. Pierzynski, the biggest cheater of modern times, deserves at least a week off.  Deliberately get in the way of an infielder trying to complete a double play?  Get to watch the rest of the World Series from the stands.

You just see downsides?  Well, here are the upsides.  First of all, it would make the game more honest.  Secondly, if a player tries to fake a play, the ump would be able to hit him with a suspension based on video analysis afterwards.  Finally, when a player legitimately fakes a play, an ump *might* be able to use video, knowing the player cares enough to risk suspension.  Since baseball already has certain types of plays where upon the appeal of a manager the ump is encouraged to check with the other umps to get the play right (the most important thing *is* to get the play right, according to the rule book) then this would seem a logical extension.  And the case in point from the game last week when a ball eight inches foul was called fair leading to three eighth inning runs.  When the left fielder objects, the ump has reason to double check, because the risk of one play does not justify a week long suspension.

Does it make for a better game?  I *think* so.  So much of baseball&#039;s history is about cheating, or the catching of cheaters.  Turn it around, glorify the folks who are honest and sportsmanlike, and I think you&#039;ll have more fans of the game.  Maybe not more fans of a specific team, but for every cheater who gets away with something pleasing his team&#039;s fans, there are at least as many opposing fans who are unhappy.  I&#039;d say that while there are thousands of Patriots fans who love the illegal taping, but more than that who hate it.  The same goes for corked bats, doctored pitches, and steroids, and phantom pushes, hidden crackback blocking, and using stickum.  Put baseball on the same honesty standards as golf (and bridge, and even that lone cricket player; remember, the phrase &quot;it isn&#039;t cricket&quot; goes back to the times when cricketeers were self-policing) and I bet baseball would gain more fans overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time, the rules of baseball mandated sportsmanlike play and umpires were supposed to poll players and fans if they were uncertain of a call.  But those rules seem to have been removed.</p>
<p><i>Not removed is:  Players in uniform shall not address or mingle with spectators, nor sit in the stands before, during, or after a game. No manager, coach or player shall address any spectator before or during a game. Players of opposing teams shall not fraternize at any time while in uniform.  So it seems that Manny Ramirez&#8217;s hand slap of the fan when he caught that long fly in left a year ago or so would violate the &#8220;address or mingle spectators&#8221; rule, even though it was one of the coolest plays I&#8217;ve ever seen.  But I digress. </i></p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see is a return to those halcyon days of yesteryear, and force players to be honest and sportsmanlike with a one week suspension for violation of those rules.  Trap a fly ball and act like you caught it?  Get a week off.  Play a fair ball like it was foul?  Week off.  Play the homer like it was a double?  Week off.  Fake getting hit by a pitch?  Pretend that the ball hit the dirt before the catcher caught it?  A. J. Pierzynski, the biggest cheater of modern times, deserves at least a week off.  Deliberately get in the way of an infielder trying to complete a double play?  Get to watch the rest of the World Series from the stands.</p>
<p>You just see downsides?  Well, here are the upsides.  First of all, it would make the game more honest.  Secondly, if a player tries to fake a play, the ump would be able to hit him with a suspension based on video analysis afterwards.  Finally, when a player legitimately fakes a play, an ump *might* be able to use video, knowing the player cares enough to risk suspension.  Since baseball already has certain types of plays where upon the appeal of a manager the ump is encouraged to check with the other umps to get the play right (the most important thing *is* to get the play right, according to the rule book) then this would seem a logical extension.  And the case in point from the game last week when a ball eight inches foul was called fair leading to three eighth inning runs.  When the left fielder objects, the ump has reason to double check, because the risk of one play does not justify a week long suspension.</p>
<p>Does it make for a better game?  I *think* so.  So much of baseball&#8217;s history is about cheating, or the catching of cheaters.  Turn it around, glorify the folks who are honest and sportsmanlike, and I think you&#8217;ll have more fans of the game.  Maybe not more fans of a specific team, but for every cheater who gets away with something pleasing his team&#8217;s fans, there are at least as many opposing fans who are unhappy.  I&#8217;d say that while there are thousands of Patriots fans who love the illegal taping, but more than that who hate it.  The same goes for corked bats, doctored pitches, and steroids, and phantom pushes, hidden crackback blocking, and using stickum.  Put baseball on the same honesty standards as golf (and bridge, and even that lone cricket player; remember, the phrase &#8220;it isn&#8217;t cricket&#8221; goes back to the times when cricketeers were self-policing) and I bet baseball would gain more fans overall.</p>
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