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		<title>By: Shayne</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/04/20/managerial-moves-part-1/#comment-58128</link>
		<dc:creator>Shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It pains me to say this, but Punto hasn&#039;t been half bad this season.

Circle me Bert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It pains me to say this, but Punto hasn&#8217;t been half bad this season.</p>
<p>Circle me Bert!</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/04/20/managerial-moves-part-1/#comment-58120</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Two days after the Royals made him the second overall pick in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft, [Joakim] Soria pitched a perfect game in the Mexican Pacific League on Saturday night as the Yaquis de Obregon blanked the Naranjeros de Hermosillo, 6-0.

Soria already was dominating the winter circuit, leading all three pitching triple crown categories (9-0, 1.77 ERA, 73 strikeouts). But the 22-year-old right-hander struck out nine and threw 101 pitches to remain unbeaten.&quot;

That was only two years ago.  He was the most dominating starting pitcher in the league.
 
And now everyone is afraid to overextend him by forcing his poor fragile arm to throw more than one inning?

For crying out loud, put him in the friggin&#039; rotation already.  Putting him in the bullpen was stupid enough.  Putting him in the bullpen and barely using him is unconscionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Two days after the Royals made him the second overall pick in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft, [Joakim] Soria pitched a perfect game in the Mexican Pacific League on Saturday night as the Yaquis de Obregon blanked the Naranjeros de Hermosillo, 6-0.</p>
<p>Soria already was dominating the winter circuit, leading all three pitching triple crown categories (9-0, 1.77 ERA, 73 strikeouts). But the 22-year-old right-hander struck out nine and threw 101 pitches to remain unbeaten.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was only two years ago.  He was the most dominating starting pitcher in the league.</p>
<p>And now everyone is afraid to overextend him by forcing his poor fragile arm to throw more than one inning?</p>
<p>For crying out loud, put him in the friggin&#8217; rotation already.  Putting him in the bullpen was stupid enough.  Putting him in the bullpen and barely using him is unconscionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Fezzik</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/04/20/managerial-moves-part-1/#comment-57994</link>
		<dc:creator>Fezzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would you rather have as your manager, Cecil Cooper or Trey Hillman? &quot;Neither&quot; is not an option.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/04/20/managerial-moves-part-1/#comment-57979</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize I&#039;m late to the response, and with Bannister coming up it&#039;s all moot, but I can see one good reason for starting HoRam on Tuesday even if everybody is healthy.  Just look at pitchers on the DL.  Right now, Kuroda is on the DL for the Dodgers.  They&#039;ve announced that he&#039;s been out long enough that before he comes back he&#039;ll need a minor league rehab assignment.  Well, I suspect that HoRam was approaching that much time off.  Maybe Hillman should have been using him instead of Farnsworth now and then, just to help him stay sharp.  But if you&#039;re on the verge of having to send a #5 down for a tuneup start, starting him to keep him in the majors does make sense.

Of course, what makes more sense is what Torre has done with the Dodgers this year.  Kuroda, the opening day starter, went on the DL.  James McDonald pitched lousy his.  So Torre replaced Kuroda with Eric Stults, who pitched well, and then with an off day helping out, replaced McDonald with Stults again.  But he used McDonald in relief in a blowout for an inning, to help McDonald get some confidence back, and then started McDonald on a short leash, pulling him with a 4-0 lead but allowing him to keep the confidence of 4+ scoreless innings.  So not only is Torre helping the Dodgers win, he&#039;s also using all his pitchers and in spots where it is appropriate.

And Torre also used Broxton, the closer, with one day of rest, for 1 2/3 innings against the Rockies on 4/17.  Broxton got the long save, and then the team scored a lot of runs the next two days and had an off day yesterday, so Broxton&#039;s next outing will be with at least three days of rest.  I&#039;ve gotta say, that seems to be to be a smarter use of a closer than what Hillman is doing with Soria.  Broxton&#039;s on a pace to throw 83 innings, which isn&#039;t too many for a relief ace.  Soria&#039;s on a pace to throw 54 innings.  Assuming your ace is probably one of your best four pitchers, would you rather have him throw 54 innings for the year, or 83?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize I&#8217;m late to the response, and with Bannister coming up it&#8217;s all moot, but I can see one good reason for starting HoRam on Tuesday even if everybody is healthy.  Just look at pitchers on the DL.  Right now, Kuroda is on the DL for the Dodgers.  They&#8217;ve announced that he&#8217;s been out long enough that before he comes back he&#8217;ll need a minor league rehab assignment.  Well, I suspect that HoRam was approaching that much time off.  Maybe Hillman should have been using him instead of Farnsworth now and then, just to help him stay sharp.  But if you&#8217;re on the verge of having to send a #5 down for a tuneup start, starting him to keep him in the majors does make sense.</p>
<p>Of course, what makes more sense is what Torre has done with the Dodgers this year.  Kuroda, the opening day starter, went on the DL.  James McDonald pitched lousy his.  So Torre replaced Kuroda with Eric Stults, who pitched well, and then with an off day helping out, replaced McDonald with Stults again.  But he used McDonald in relief in a blowout for an inning, to help McDonald get some confidence back, and then started McDonald on a short leash, pulling him with a 4-0 lead but allowing him to keep the confidence of 4+ scoreless innings.  So not only is Torre helping the Dodgers win, he&#8217;s also using all his pitchers and in spots where it is appropriate.</p>
<p>And Torre also used Broxton, the closer, with one day of rest, for 1 2/3 innings against the Rockies on 4/17.  Broxton got the long save, and then the team scored a lot of runs the next two days and had an off day yesterday, so Broxton&#8217;s next outing will be with at least three days of rest.  I&#8217;ve gotta say, that seems to be to be a smarter use of a closer than what Hillman is doing with Soria.  Broxton&#8217;s on a pace to throw 83 innings, which isn&#8217;t too many for a relief ace.  Soria&#8217;s on a pace to throw 54 innings.  Assuming your ace is probably one of your best four pitchers, would you rather have him throw 54 innings for the year, or 83?</p>
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		<title>By: DHRjericho</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHRjericho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mariners are bunting like maniacs this year. (on pace for 191 bunts).

More detail can be found here:
http://ussmariner.com/2009/04/18/wakamatsu-likes-to-bunt/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mariners are bunting like maniacs this year. (on pace for 191 bunts).</p>
<p>More detail can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2009/04/18/wakamatsu-likes-to-bunt/" rel="nofollow">http://ussmariner.com/2009/04/18/wakamatsu-likes-to-bunt/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What always gets me (regardless of the manager, although Hillman pulled this with the rationale for not pitching Soria in a tie game on the road) is when managers talk about playing the percentages.  I always want to ask: &quot;Ok then, what were they?&quot;  

It&#039;s not a purely adversarial question, either.  From reading Weaver&#039;s book, I think he could actually tell you the percentages he was chasing for any given move.  I kind of wish Hillman would just take a copy of The Book into the dugout with him and look these situations up as they occur.  Then he could play the percentages by actually looking up the percentages and making a choice based on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What always gets me (regardless of the manager, although Hillman pulled this with the rationale for not pitching Soria in a tie game on the road) is when managers talk about playing the percentages.  I always want to ask: &#8220;Ok then, what were they?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a purely adversarial question, either.  From reading Weaver&#8217;s book, I think he could actually tell you the percentages he was chasing for any given move.  I kind of wish Hillman would just take a copy of The Book into the dugout with him and look these situations up as they occur.  Then he could play the percentages by actually looking up the percentages and making a choice based on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, this whole discussion is now outdated.  A fan fav (and Joe fav) was called up to start Wednesday&#039;s game.  

Let&#039;s go Banny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, this whole discussion is now outdated.  A fan fav (and Joe fav) was called up to start Wednesday&#8217;s game.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go Banny.</p>
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		<title>By: Buchholz Surfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buchholz Surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fans always want the team to make the moves that give the team the best chance of winning the next game. But managers have to look at the season as a whole. Hillman&#039;s probably trying to not overpitch his best pitchers in April, so they will be less likely to be injured or ineffective later in the year. It&#039;s a long season, and it&#039;s still April. I&#039;m sure the Royals don&#039;t want Meche or Grienke throwing 250 innings this year, and want to protect their investment in those pitchers.

Fans want to win the next game, no matter what. Especially if they bought tickets to go see that game. And that&#039;s their right. But the manager can&#039;t manage his team like that all year, the players will break down, especially the pitching staff. It&#039;s a huge part of his responsibility to protect the best pitchers arms as much as possible. 

Maybe Hillman really is an idiot, but managers also know their players and what&#039;s going on with them way more than us people on the outside do. And their explanations for their moves shouldn&#039;t be given any weight whatsoever. What&#039;s the manager supposed to say, &quot;we pushed back one guy because he&#039;s got a little tender arm and he&#039;s not real tough compared to the other pitchers, so we&#039;re worried about him holding up strong all year&quot;? Or how about &quot;we don&#039;t want Joe Blow pitching in Detroit because his mistress lives there and he&#039;ll never get a good night&#039;s sleep or be able to concentrate if he&#039;s within 100 miles of that town&quot;?

It&#039;s easy to call managers dumb without knowing what&#039;s really going on, but I&#039;m pretty skeptical of fans who think they know it all bashing the manager every time he does something they don&#039;t like. Sometimes a manager does do something dumb, but there are plenty of times that he&#039;s called an idiot when there&#039;s a good reason for his decision that the fans don&#039;t know and can&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fans always want the team to make the moves that give the team the best chance of winning the next game. But managers have to look at the season as a whole. Hillman&#8217;s probably trying to not overpitch his best pitchers in April, so they will be less likely to be injured or ineffective later in the year. It&#8217;s a long season, and it&#8217;s still April. I&#8217;m sure the Royals don&#8217;t want Meche or Grienke throwing 250 innings this year, and want to protect their investment in those pitchers.</p>
<p>Fans want to win the next game, no matter what. Especially if they bought tickets to go see that game. And that&#8217;s their right. But the manager can&#8217;t manage his team like that all year, the players will break down, especially the pitching staff. It&#8217;s a huge part of his responsibility to protect the best pitchers arms as much as possible. </p>
<p>Maybe Hillman really is an idiot, but managers also know their players and what&#8217;s going on with them way more than us people on the outside do. And their explanations for their moves shouldn&#8217;t be given any weight whatsoever. What&#8217;s the manager supposed to say, &#8220;we pushed back one guy because he&#8217;s got a little tender arm and he&#8217;s not real tough compared to the other pitchers, so we&#8217;re worried about him holding up strong all year&#8221;? Or how about &#8220;we don&#8217;t want Joe Blow pitching in Detroit because his mistress lives there and he&#8217;ll never get a good night&#8217;s sleep or be able to concentrate if he&#8217;s within 100 miles of that town&#8221;?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to call managers dumb without knowing what&#8217;s really going on, but I&#8217;m pretty skeptical of fans who think they know it all bashing the manager every time he does something they don&#8217;t like. Sometimes a manager does do something dumb, but there are plenty of times that he&#8217;s called an idiot when there&#8217;s a good reason for his decision that the fans don&#8217;t know and can&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure as heck didn&#039;t think it through as much as y&#039;all.  This, to me, is the baseball equivalent of a tennis player throwing a game in a set once he is down and returning serve.  The returning player will try to win the first point or the second but, once down love-30 to an overpowering serve, he&#039;ll just sort of wave at the last two serves, get it over with, and get back to his own serve.  Sometimes, once down a couple of breaks, you&#039;ll see them throw a whole set, just to avoid expending energy, and try to win the next one.  I just figured Ramirez starting was a white flag to their pitcher.  It&#039;s a punt.  Why burn a chance to win a game (i.e. Meche&#039;s start) against Lee when I could save him a day and put that chance to win against a lesser pitcher?  I think Trey is managing as though the 5th starter is a loss...might as well spend that loss on a night when you&#039;d likely lose anyway because of their pitcher.  Plus, as was mentioned above, it sets up Greinke to start on what looks to be a spectacular Friday night at the K.  $ellout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure as heck didn&#8217;t think it through as much as y&#8217;all.  This, to me, is the baseball equivalent of a tennis player throwing a game in a set once he is down and returning serve.  The returning player will try to win the first point or the second but, once down love-30 to an overpowering serve, he&#8217;ll just sort of wave at the last two serves, get it over with, and get back to his own serve.  Sometimes, once down a couple of breaks, you&#8217;ll see them throw a whole set, just to avoid expending energy, and try to win the next one.  I just figured Ramirez starting was a white flag to their pitcher.  It&#8217;s a punt.  Why burn a chance to win a game (i.e. Meche&#8217;s start) against Lee when I could save him a day and put that chance to win against a lesser pitcher?  I think Trey is managing as though the 5th starter is a loss&#8230;might as well spend that loss on a night when you&#8217;d likely lose anyway because of their pitcher.  Plus, as was mentioned above, it sets up Greinke to start on what looks to be a spectacular Friday night at the K.  $ellout!</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a parallel
For most of my life I have been taught the the guys wearing ties were geniuses with money and that I should trust them with mine.
I was told young that the guys &quot;managing&quot; a ball club were better informed than I and that I should trust them to run their team.  I learned soon from the same men that the guys &quot;managing&quot; our teams often are not to be trusted, that they often make unexplainable mistakes of judgment, game time decisions that make no sense at the time or upon reflection.  Managers, bankers, and Bud Selig are not to be trusted.  The crime is that when the bankers fail I am not surprised, when the Hillmans of the world fail I am heartbroken.  Maybe one day I will grow up and give my heart to a woman who won&#039;t break it.
Kuiper was part of my youth at the &#039;Stick, the Hac-Man was a prince, and as long as Butler hit, I cared not that he thumped his bible so loudly.  It is the passion I give the game that is my crime, my punishment is the idiots who get to live my dreams of making poor, mind numbingly crippling decisions. 
gonna leave it there, maybe post another day
all hail Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a parallel<br />
For most of my life I have been taught the the guys wearing ties were geniuses with money and that I should trust them with mine.<br />
I was told young that the guys &#8220;managing&#8221; a ball club were better informed than I and that I should trust them to run their team.  I learned soon from the same men that the guys &#8220;managing&#8221; our teams often are not to be trusted, that they often make unexplainable mistakes of judgment, game time decisions that make no sense at the time or upon reflection.  Managers, bankers, and Bud Selig are not to be trusted.  The crime is that when the bankers fail I am not surprised, when the Hillmans of the world fail I am heartbroken.  Maybe one day I will grow up and give my heart to a woman who won&#8217;t break it.<br />
Kuiper was part of my youth at the &#8216;Stick, the Hac-Man was a prince, and as long as Butler hit, I cared not that he thumped his bible so loudly.  It is the passion I give the game that is my crime, my punishment is the idiots who get to live my dreams of making poor, mind numbingly crippling decisions.<br />
gonna leave it there, maybe post another day<br />
all hail Joe</p>
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