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		<title>By: nightfly</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/03/26/how-we-decide-sports-edition/#comment-55748</link>
		<dc:creator>nightfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had this exact feeling in the home half of the tenth inning of Game Six, 1986 WS.  Seriously.  I was 14.  Everyone else in the house had this game written off, but dammit, I knew the Mets were winning that game.  I&#039;m normally nervous to the point of nausea at tense moments, but I remember being oddly calm throughout the whole sequence.  The downside is, everyone else in the house completely freaked out when Ray Knight came in with the final run, but I didn&#039;t feel it at all - just a shrug.  Eh.

The only other thing that came close was a weekend hockey tournament I played in about five or six years ago.  Both the semifinals and finals went to shootouts, and I was completely wired in.  I knew that they weren&#039;t going to beat me.  I stopped seven out of seven and we won both games.

Funny thing is, I&#039;ve been a huge sports jinx ever since.  Guess I used up my zone.  It&#039;s a pity, I have a big playoff game tomorrow night and it would be nice not to be nervous 28 hours ahead of time, like I am right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had this exact feeling in the home half of the tenth inning of Game Six, 1986 WS.  Seriously.  I was 14.  Everyone else in the house had this game written off, but dammit, I knew the Mets were winning that game.  I&#8217;m normally nervous to the point of nausea at tense moments, but I remember being oddly calm throughout the whole sequence.  The downside is, everyone else in the house completely freaked out when Ray Knight came in with the final run, but I didn&#8217;t feel it at all &#8211; just a shrug.  Eh.</p>
<p>The only other thing that came close was a weekend hockey tournament I played in about five or six years ago.  Both the semifinals and finals went to shootouts, and I was completely wired in.  I knew that they weren&#8217;t going to beat me.  I stopped seven out of seven and we won both games.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, I&#8217;ve been a huge sports jinx ever since.  Guess I used up my zone.  It&#8217;s a pity, I have a big playoff game tomorrow night and it would be nice not to be nervous 28 hours ahead of time, like I am right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Arneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Arneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in September 2005, I entered into such a &quot;zone&quot;, when I accurately predicted, batter by batter, a bottom-of-the-ninth, five-run comeback victory by Oakland over Seattle.  Weirdest damn thing I&#039;ve ever done.  I wrote a blog entry about it on Baseball Toaster (click on my name).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in September 2005, I entered into such a &#8220;zone&#8221;, when I accurately predicted, batter by batter, a bottom-of-the-ninth, five-run comeback victory by Oakland over Seattle.  Weirdest damn thing I&#8217;ve ever done.  I wrote a blog entry about it on Baseball Toaster (click on my name).</p>
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		<title>By: Topics about Football &#187; How We Decide (Sports Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topics about Football &#187; How We Decide (Sports Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Heidegger added an interesting post on How We Decide (Sports Edition)Here&#8217;s a small excerptI stepped up my game, but I donâ€™t remember it that way and, anyway, I barely knew how to play volleyball. &#8230; to the one you had on a football [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Heidegger added an interesting post on How We Decide (Sports Edition)Here&#8217;s a small excerptI stepped up my game, but I donâ€™t remember it that way and, anyway, I barely knew how to play volleyball. &#8230; to the one you had on a football [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bellweather Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellweather Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in marching band in High School, and every summer, we met every day for a week to work on our marching.  This one time, I was cranked to the gills, but was really &quot;in the zone&quot; and beat everyone in the march-off...

...at least I think I did.  Like I said, though: I was cranked to the GILLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in marching band in High School, and every summer, we met every day for a week to work on our marching.  This one time, I was cranked to the gills, but was really &#8220;in the zone&#8221; and beat everyone in the march-off&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;at least I think I did.  Like I said, though: I was cranked to the GILLS.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the zone: In my experience, it doesn&#039;t always mean you&#039;ll win. Let me explain. Once upon a time in a former life, I was pretty darn good at Tae Kwon Do. I won some very large tournaments and such (I&#039;m not trying to brag just establishing that I knew what I was doing). Early on, I would get into the zone quite a bit against top competition. These were the times I won. 

However, at one point, relatively late in my career, I had some pretty serious shoulder issues (which I still have) that partially immobilized my right shoulder. Now, Tae Kwon Do is mostly about your legs, so I figured I could carry on competing, and I did pretty well. I could still beat most everyone, but there were one or two guys that I just could not beat. I remember one time specifically, I was fighting in the finals of a tournament and I was in the zone, but I still KNEW I was going to lose. I knew everything he was doing and I knew when it was coming, but my shoulder was messed up, and I also knew I couldn&#039;t stop it. So, I got whipped. 

I think the zone is really about understanding. You know what&#039;s going to happen because you can see which way the variables are breaking this time. Most often, you can turn this into a win, but sometimes it just lets you know to cover you behind so you don&#039;t get it kicked too badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the zone: In my experience, it doesn&#8217;t always mean you&#8217;ll win. Let me explain. Once upon a time in a former life, I was pretty darn good at Tae Kwon Do. I won some very large tournaments and such (I&#8217;m not trying to brag just establishing that I knew what I was doing). Early on, I would get into the zone quite a bit against top competition. These were the times I won. </p>
<p>However, at one point, relatively late in my career, I had some pretty serious shoulder issues (which I still have) that partially immobilized my right shoulder. Now, Tae Kwon Do is mostly about your legs, so I figured I could carry on competing, and I did pretty well. I could still beat most everyone, but there were one or two guys that I just could not beat. I remember one time specifically, I was fighting in the finals of a tournament and I was in the zone, but I still KNEW I was going to lose. I knew everything he was doing and I knew when it was coming, but my shoulder was messed up, and I also knew I couldn&#8217;t stop it. So, I got whipped. </p>
<p>I think the zone is really about understanding. You know what&#8217;s going to happen because you can see which way the variables are breaking this time. Most often, you can turn this into a win, but sometimes it just lets you know to cover you behind so you don&#8217;t get it kicked too badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must concur that &quot;A Drunkard&#039;s Walk&quot; would be a great follow up to the Lehrer book.  It can be a bit exhaustive in the math of randomness, but it really brings forth some fascinating elements that we as society assume as skill but are rather quite random in reality.  

Thanks for all the free material!  I look forward to purchasing the upcoming book.

cheers
DF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must concur that &#8220;A Drunkard&#8217;s Walk&#8221; would be a great follow up to the Lehrer book.  It can be a bit exhaustive in the math of randomness, but it really brings forth some fascinating elements that we as society assume as skill but are rather quite random in reality.  </p>
<p>Thanks for all the free material!  I look forward to purchasing the upcoming book.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
DF</p>
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		<title>By: PhiskPhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhiskPhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in NYC at the time, I was in a cab on my way to a Knicks-Baltimore (Bullets?) playoff game in 1970, and the cabbie said &quot;Baltimore will win tonight.&quot;  I disagreed loudly and declaimed, &quot;The Knicks will win in double overtime.&quot;  And they did.  Why did I say this?  Why didn&#039;t I just say &quot;overtime?&quot; Why &quot;double overtime?&quot;  I had no premonition -- it&#039;s just what came out of my mouth.  I wonder what that cabbie thought a few hours later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in NYC at the time, I was in a cab on my way to a Knicks-Baltimore (Bullets?) playoff game in 1970, and the cabbie said &#8220;Baltimore will win tonight.&#8221;  I disagreed loudly and declaimed, &#8220;The Knicks will win in double overtime.&#8221;  And they did.  Why did I say this?  Why didn&#8217;t I just say &#8220;overtime?&#8221; Why &#8220;double overtime?&#8221;  I had no premonition &#8212; it&#8217;s just what came out of my mouth.  I wonder what that cabbie thought a few hours later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have had this before. it was that cardinals vs. bears monday night game a few years ago. i was working at the arizona republic and knew all about the cardinals choking. at half time i absolutely knew they would lose the game. i was seriously not even surprised by anything that happened in that 2nd half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have had this before. it was that cardinals vs. bears monday night game a few years ago. i was working at the arizona republic and knew all about the cardinals choking. at half time i absolutely knew they would lose the game. i was seriously not even surprised by anything that happened in that 2nd half.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a difference between people using the language of &quot;I just knew&quot; and really having the same feeling that Joe and others are decribing.  I use that language all the time to refer to correct upset predictions in sports, but I never mean that I actually &quot;knew.&quot;  I just mean that I felt very confident about it for whatever reason.

People filling out their brackets for March Madness say they &quot;just knew&quot; all the time, but they virtually never really mean it in the sense Joe is talking about.

The point being that when we&#039;re wondering whether it&#039;s selection bias, you have to distinguish all those times people say they &quot;just knew&quot; when really they did not have the feeling that Joe is describing, it&#039;s just the language they use.

I&#039;ve filled out an NCAA bracket every since 1991, except for 1995 when I was in Ireland.  So that&#039;s 18 years, and 72 1 vs. 16 matchups that I have predicted.  71 times I have predicted the 1 seed to beat the 16.  1 time I picked the 16 seed to win.  In 1996 I picked Western Carolina to beat Purdue.  The final score was Purdue 73, WC 71.  By score not the closest 1/16 ever...two games in 1989 were decided by 1 point, and one game in 1990 went to OT, I think.  But in many ways it was the closest because Western Carolina controlled the play for much of the game.  I&#039;m pretty sure they had the lead with 3 minutes to go, and they may have had a 7 or 8 point lead at some point.  I do know they had a 3 in the air for the win in the final seconds that hit the back rim, and then got the rebound and had a tying shot in the air at the buzzer.

And I said I just knew Western Carolina would win.  But I didn&#039;t.  Because I have had that &quot;just knew&quot; feeling and I know the difference.  What I &quot;just knew&quot; was that Purdue was a crappy one seed (and I was right...they barely beat the 16 and then got smoked by #8 Georgia) but I did not really feel that I knew WC would win the game, though I&#039;m sure I used that language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a difference between people using the language of &#8220;I just knew&#8221; and really having the same feeling that Joe and others are decribing.  I use that language all the time to refer to correct upset predictions in sports, but I never mean that I actually &#8220;knew.&#8221;  I just mean that I felt very confident about it for whatever reason.</p>
<p>People filling out their brackets for March Madness say they &#8220;just knew&#8221; all the time, but they virtually never really mean it in the sense Joe is talking about.</p>
<p>The point being that when we&#8217;re wondering whether it&#8217;s selection bias, you have to distinguish all those times people say they &#8220;just knew&#8221; when really they did not have the feeling that Joe is describing, it&#8217;s just the language they use.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve filled out an NCAA bracket every since 1991, except for 1995 when I was in Ireland.  So that&#8217;s 18 years, and 72 1 vs. 16 matchups that I have predicted.  71 times I have predicted the 1 seed to beat the 16.  1 time I picked the 16 seed to win.  In 1996 I picked Western Carolina to beat Purdue.  The final score was Purdue 73, WC 71.  By score not the closest 1/16 ever&#8230;two games in 1989 were decided by 1 point, and one game in 1990 went to OT, I think.  But in many ways it was the closest because Western Carolina controlled the play for much of the game.  I&#8217;m pretty sure they had the lead with 3 minutes to go, and they may have had a 7 or 8 point lead at some point.  I do know they had a 3 in the air for the win in the final seconds that hit the back rim, and then got the rebound and had a tying shot in the air at the buzzer.</p>
<p>And I said I just knew Western Carolina would win.  But I didn&#8217;t.  Because I have had that &#8220;just knew&#8221; feeling and I know the difference.  What I &#8220;just knew&#8221; was that Purdue was a crappy one seed (and I was right&#8230;they barely beat the 16 and then got smoked by #8 Georgia) but I did not really feel that I knew WC would win the game, though I&#8217;m sure I used that language.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this happens a lot with people.  Somebody does a great college basketball bracket or upset and they &quot;just knew&quot;.

My favorites, though, are the ones I have convinced myself of that end up going the other way.  Two examples I have are The D-Backs beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series (game 7).  Another is Texas beating USC in the BCS title game a few years ago.  I knew these things weren&#039;t going to happen to the point that I casually watched a few minutes of the games said screw it and went to bed.  both times, my wife woke me up and said &quot;Uh, you might want to come in and watch this&quot;. The feeling was as amazing as any I have ever gotten from being on a hot streak or being right about something.

I&#039;m betting this happened to a lot of folks with the Giants-Pats game last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this happens a lot with people.  Somebody does a great college basketball bracket or upset and they &#8220;just knew&#8221;.</p>
<p>My favorites, though, are the ones I have convinced myself of that end up going the other way.  Two examples I have are The D-Backs beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series (game 7).  Another is Texas beating USC in the BCS title game a few years ago.  I knew these things weren&#8217;t going to happen to the point that I casually watched a few minutes of the games said screw it and went to bed.  both times, my wife woke me up and said &#8220;Uh, you might want to come in and watch this&#8221;. The feeling was as amazing as any I have ever gotten from being on a hot streak or being right about something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting this happened to a lot of folks with the Giants-Pats game last year.</p>
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