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		<title>By: charlesdmiles</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/08/mystery-player/#comment-54251</link>
		<dc:creator>charlesdmiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
    I had the good fortune to know about Jumbo Frank in 1990.  I told my stat league players &quot;Draft this fella&quot;.  Those who listened, thanked me many times.  I was also at the 2nd home game of the season in the new Comiskey Parkin 1991.  I got there early, to see the place, and I see on the field Walt Hriniak working with Thomas and it looks like he adjusting his swing!  It took two security guards to hold me back as I was screaming &quot;GET THAT IDIOT AWAY FROM FRANK THOMAS!&quot;, as the guards were leading me away they said &quot;What made you do that?&quot;.  I answered &quot;Thomas was born to hit over .300, 30hrs, 100+RBI&#039;s, Hriniak can only hurt him&quot;.  The guard realized I was right and yelled out &quot;Hriniak you maniac, get away from him!&quot;

    I&#039;m NYC born and bred, but things like that make me love Chicago even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
    I had the good fortune to know about Jumbo Frank in 1990.  I told my stat league players &#8220;Draft this fella&#8221;.  Those who listened, thanked me many times.  I was also at the 2nd home game of the season in the new Comiskey Parkin 1991.  I got there early, to see the place, and I see on the field Walt Hriniak working with Thomas and it looks like he adjusting his swing!  It took two security guards to hold me back as I was screaming &#8220;GET THAT IDIOT AWAY FROM FRANK THOMAS!&#8221;, as the guards were leading me away they said &#8220;What made you do that?&#8221;.  I answered &#8220;Thomas was born to hit over .300, 30hrs, 100+RBI&#8217;s, Hriniak can only hurt him&#8221;.  The guard realized I was right and yelled out &#8220;Hriniak you maniac, get away from him!&#8221;</p>
<p>    I&#8217;m NYC born and bred, but things like that make me love Chicago even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Freighter</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/08/mystery-player/#comment-52352</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Freighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1994 was full of a lot of possible record breakers.  Another one that isn&#039;t nearly as sexy as Tony Gwynn&#039;s attempt at .400 or Frank Thomas&#039; sick statistical line was Chuck Knoblauch&#039;s assault on the doubles record.  Knoblauch hit 45 in 109 games and was on pace to hit 65 total... 2 shy of Earl Webb&#039;s record of 67 in 1931.  Since 1936, no player has even hit 60.   

More random doubles trivia: Albert Belle twice tied the record with 4 doubles in a game... all within one month&#039;s worth of games in 1999.

Numbers courtesy of the Baseball Almanac and Baseball Reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1994 was full of a lot of possible record breakers.  Another one that isn&#8217;t nearly as sexy as Tony Gwynn&#8217;s attempt at .400 or Frank Thomas&#8217; sick statistical line was Chuck Knoblauch&#8217;s assault on the doubles record.  Knoblauch hit 45 in 109 games and was on pace to hit 65 total&#8230; 2 shy of Earl Webb&#8217;s record of 67 in 1931.  Since 1936, no player has even hit 60.   </p>
<p>More random doubles trivia: Albert Belle twice tied the record with 4 doubles in a game&#8230; all within one month&#8217;s worth of games in 1999.</p>
<p>Numbers courtesy of the Baseball Almanac and Baseball Reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S.</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/08/mystery-player/#comment-52230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add that Frank should have 3 MVPs due to Giambi winning the 2000 MVP by a very slim margin over Big Hurt while admittedly using steriods after having a huge and juice-enhanced September.

I love Frank Thomas... he my favorite player ever, and, like many of these readers, and am fortunate to be able to say that he did it the right way... clean and through hard work.  

If he was as shady and unethical as Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, RPal, A-Rod, etc... he could potentially have 650+ homers already and still have time to add on like Bonds did when he turned 40...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add that Frank should have 3 MVPs due to Giambi winning the 2000 MVP by a very slim margin over Big Hurt while admittedly using steriods after having a huge and juice-enhanced September.</p>
<p>I love Frank Thomas&#8230; he my favorite player ever, and, like many of these readers, and am fortunate to be able to say that he did it the right way&#8230; clean and through hard work.  </p>
<p>If he was as shady and unethical as Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, RPal, A-Rod, etc&#8230; he could potentially have 650+ homers already and still have time to add on like Bonds did when he turned 40&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KHAZAD</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/08/mystery-player/#comment-52178</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAZAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Thomas was in his prime, I thought I was seeing the greatest right handed hitter ever. Then came Pujols. 
 Frank is still a 1st ballot hall of famer.  Even with a career since that prime marred by injuries and a decrease in bat speed and eye, he has still been productive when healthy, with an ops of .901 in the &quot;bad part&quot; of his career.  I would not care if he was the slowest base runner and worst fielder ever (that title might belong to Billy Butler-I think Thomas might beat him in a race right now)
 Belle never had a tail end to his career, so I was only able to find 2 players whose careers are complete who had more Extra Base Hits per game (Ruth and Gehrig).  Pujols is on pace now to become the 3rd.
 The day Bagwell and Thomas were born has to be the most productive birth date in baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Thomas was in his prime, I thought I was seeing the greatest right handed hitter ever. Then came Pujols.<br />
 Frank is still a 1st ballot hall of famer.  Even with a career since that prime marred by injuries and a decrease in bat speed and eye, he has still been productive when healthy, with an ops of .901 in the &#8220;bad part&#8221; of his career.  I would not care if he was the slowest base runner and worst fielder ever (that title might belong to Billy Butler-I think Thomas might beat him in a race right now)<br />
 Belle never had a tail end to his career, so I was only able to find 2 players whose careers are complete who had more Extra Base Hits per game (Ruth and Gehrig).  Pujols is on pace now to become the 3rd.<br />
 The day Bagwell and Thomas were born has to be the most productive birth date in baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad that Frank Thomas clogged the bases so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad that Frank Thomas clogged the bases so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukehart80</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukehart80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for what it&#039;s worth, my point was not that because frank thomas did not sign an autograph for me one night that he must be a bad guy, but that our own first hand experiences inform our opinions far more than anything anyone else tells us.

i DO think a man who stands in a parking lot waxing his car while ignoring half a dozen children are pleading for a brief moment of his time because they admire him is acting like a jerk, but OF COURSE it could&#039;ve just been a bad day. i said myself that the sox had lost a tough game that night.

but, that was the closest contact i ever had with the man. and it&#039;s not as though mine is the only story of a moody, petulant frank thomas. i can certainly understand why doug would love thomas, it sounds like frank was a true pleasure on the day he met him. we each have a view of thomas as a man largely shaped by a single encounter.

that&#039;s why dimaggio said he always played hard, &quot;there&#039;s always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time.&quot; thomas wasn&#039;t playing, and i don&#039;t downgrade him as a player for that night (the man could RAKE, and should be 1st ballot to cooperstown), but when i think of him as a person, of course it taints him for me. people take things personally, kids especially. i was a kid.

i don&#039;t know if he&#039;s a good person or not, neither does doug, neither does joe. i&#039;m unwilling to use rumor and drug tests as some final or supreme litmus of any single player&#039;s character or abilities.

i glad thomas still has supporters willing to stand up for him. i live in chicago and have plenty of sox&#039; fan friends, and thomas&#039; name hardly comes up, he seems forgotten. he drew boos when i saw him at comiskey in an A&#039;s uniform. he was too good a player to not have a lot of fans, it&#039;s just that i&#039;ll never be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for what it&#8217;s worth, my point was not that because frank thomas did not sign an autograph for me one night that he must be a bad guy, but that our own first hand experiences inform our opinions far more than anything anyone else tells us.</p>
<p>i DO think a man who stands in a parking lot waxing his car while ignoring half a dozen children are pleading for a brief moment of his time because they admire him is acting like a jerk, but OF COURSE it could&#8217;ve just been a bad day. i said myself that the sox had lost a tough game that night.</p>
<p>but, that was the closest contact i ever had with the man. and it&#8217;s not as though mine is the only story of a moody, petulant frank thomas. i can certainly understand why doug would love thomas, it sounds like frank was a true pleasure on the day he met him. we each have a view of thomas as a man largely shaped by a single encounter.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s why dimaggio said he always played hard, &#8220;there&#8217;s always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time.&#8221; thomas wasn&#8217;t playing, and i don&#8217;t downgrade him as a player for that night (the man could RAKE, and should be 1st ballot to cooperstown), but when i think of him as a person, of course it taints him for me. people take things personally, kids especially. i was a kid.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s a good person or not, neither does doug, neither does joe. i&#8217;m unwilling to use rumor and drug tests as some final or supreme litmus of any single player&#8217;s character or abilities.</p>
<p>i glad thomas still has supporters willing to stand up for him. i live in chicago and have plenty of sox&#8217; fan friends, and thomas&#8217; name hardly comes up, he seems forgotten. he drew boos when i saw him at comiskey in an A&#8217;s uniform. he was too good a player to not have a lot of fans, it&#8217;s just that i&#8217;ll never be one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Windier E. Megatons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windier E. Megatons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most ridiculous thing about Belle&#039;s 1995 season is that with 50 homers and 50 doubles, playing for a team that won 100 games of 144, he didn&#039;t win the MVP - Mo Vaughn did, even though he wasn&#039;t even his own team&#039;s most valuable player (when you factor in that he played short, John Valentin was worth a fair bit more than Vaughn).  But of course Belle wasn&#039;t the nicest guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most ridiculous thing about Belle&#8217;s 1995 season is that with 50 homers and 50 doubles, playing for a team that won 100 games of 144, he didn&#8217;t win the MVP &#8211; Mo Vaughn did, even though he wasn&#8217;t even his own team&#8217;s most valuable player (when you factor in that he played short, John Valentin was worth a fair bit more than Vaughn).  But of course Belle wasn&#8217;t the nicest guy.</p>
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		<title>By: chisoxcollector</title>
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		<dc:creator>chisoxcollector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukehart80, even if we gauge how good a person by whether or not he signs autographs, The Big Hurt would be a great man.  You are talking about 1 experience.  Who knows what kind of day Frank had had.  Maybe he had an altercation with a fan on his way into the stadium that day.  Maybe his wrist was aching.  Who knows.

I grew up in Southern California, and my dad had FANTASTIC season tickets for the Angels.  I didn&#039;t really have a rooting interest in any team yet, as I rebelled against the that you must root for the local team.  In 1991, when I was 12, I started getting autographs during batting practice, and then getting the players when they arrived at the stadium, and eventually getting them at hotels and whatnot.

Ultimately, I ended up becoming a White Sox fan.  You know why?  Because of how fan friendly their players were, particularly their well known players.  In particular, Frank Thomas was absolutely the best signer in the league, as far as stars go.  He signed before almost every game.  He would line up all the fans waiting in the parking lot, and sign for them when he arrived at the stadium.  He would also usually sign during batting practice.  I probably attended 50 White Sox games, and I would say I Frank signed at 40 of them.  I&#039;m even shown on Frank&#039;s 1995 Score baseball card, while he is signing autographs in 95 degree heat during batting practice of a game against the Angels.  I&#039;m the guy in the green cap, with a pen cap in his hand, looking to my left. 

http://beta.beckett.com/item/4093732/Baseball-Card/Collection/1995-Score-1-Frank-Thomas/?tab=Price

So please don&#039;t judge Frank on ONE isolated incident.  It isn&#039;t fair to him.  To this day, I am a HUGE White Sox fan, almost solely based on Frank Thomas and his combination of awesome talent and incredible fan friendliness.

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukehart80, even if we gauge how good a person by whether or not he signs autographs, The Big Hurt would be a great man.  You are talking about 1 experience.  Who knows what kind of day Frank had had.  Maybe he had an altercation with a fan on his way into the stadium that day.  Maybe his wrist was aching.  Who knows.</p>
<p>I grew up in Southern California, and my dad had FANTASTIC season tickets for the Angels.  I didn&#8217;t really have a rooting interest in any team yet, as I rebelled against the that you must root for the local team.  In 1991, when I was 12, I started getting autographs during batting practice, and then getting the players when they arrived at the stadium, and eventually getting them at hotels and whatnot.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I ended up becoming a White Sox fan.  You know why?  Because of how fan friendly their players were, particularly their well known players.  In particular, Frank Thomas was absolutely the best signer in the league, as far as stars go.  He signed before almost every game.  He would line up all the fans waiting in the parking lot, and sign for them when he arrived at the stadium.  He would also usually sign during batting practice.  I probably attended 50 White Sox games, and I would say I Frank signed at 40 of them.  I&#8217;m even shown on Frank&#8217;s 1995 Score baseball card, while he is signing autographs in 95 degree heat during batting practice of a game against the Angels.  I&#8217;m the guy in the green cap, with a pen cap in his hand, looking to my left. </p>
<p><a href="http://beta.beckett.com/item/4093732/Baseball-Card/Collection/1995-Score-1-Frank-Thomas/?tab=Price" rel="nofollow">http://beta.beckett.com/item/4093732/Baseball-Card/Collection/1995-Score-1-Frank-Thomas/?tab=Price</a></p>
<p>So please don&#8217;t judge Frank on ONE isolated incident.  It isn&#8217;t fair to him.  To this day, I am a HUGE White Sox fan, almost solely based on Frank Thomas and his combination of awesome talent and incredible fan friendliness.</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: Eric G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading somewhere sometime ago that Frank would stand in the batters box and say out loud how fast the pitch was coming over the plate seeminglt reading the speed off the radar gun, he was that accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading somewhere sometime ago that Frank would stand in the batters box and say out loud how fast the pitch was coming over the plate seeminglt reading the speed off the radar gun, he was that accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#73

&lt;i&gt;Players donâ€™t just break down suddenly at age 30 after years of good health.&lt;/i&gt;

They do when they&#039;re as notoriously as indifferent to conditioning as Griffey was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#73</p>
<p><i>Players donâ€™t just break down suddenly at age 30 after years of good health.</i></p>
<p>They do when they&#8217;re as notoriously as indifferent to conditioning as Griffey was.</p>
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