Comments on: Hall of Fame Jr. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/ A Rough Draft Blog Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tom M http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-63980 Tom M Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:43:11 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-63980 re: Gil Hodges Don't forget about the shoe polish cheating incident in the 1969 World Series. There were several fishy things that happened in that Series to make you wonder if it was fixed. (J.C. Martin runners' interference, trap "catches" in the outfield, ...) As a first baseman, he just wasn't HOF material. re: Gil Hodges

Don’t forget about the shoe polish cheating incident in the 1969 World Series. There were several fishy things that happened in that Series to make you wonder if it was fixed. (J.C. Martin runners’ interference, trap “catches” in the outfield, …)

As a first baseman, he just wasn’t HOF material.

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]]> By: Al in Portland http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51747 Al in Portland Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:18:26 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51747 If nominations are still being accepted ... Billy Pierce, the prototypical "little left-hander." Also, "a player to be named later," who was traded more than Harry "Suitcase" Simpson. And will we have a recording of Junior Walker and the All-Stars playing on induction day? If nominations are still being accepted …

Billy Pierce, the prototypical “little left-hander.”

Also, “a player to be named later,” who was traded more than Harry “Suitcase” Simpson.

And will we have a recording of Junior Walker and the All-Stars playing on induction day?

]]> By: Mark W. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51500 Mark W. Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:26:10 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51500 Lyman Bostock.... The story of his death will make you cry in disbelief. Lyman Bostock…. The story of his death will make you cry in disbelief.

]]> By: Brian http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51488 Brian Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:43:45 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51488 Curt Flood. Begging for the important one first, the fun ones can come later. Curt Flood. Begging for the important one first, the fun ones can come later.

]]> By: Andy http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51479 Andy Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:21:48 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51479 I think this idea has legs. Make it so that inclusion in the Hall is 100% decided by fans. And I'm all for cutting out the "Jr." Any real Hall of Fame would have the Hit King in it, whether he bet on baseball or not. I think this idea has legs. Make it so that inclusion in the Hall is 100% decided by fans.

And I’m all for cutting out the “Jr.” Any real Hall of Fame would have the Hit King in it, whether he bet on baseball or not.

]]> By: Mark W. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51456 Mark W. Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:15:36 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51456 Here's one guy who really does deserve some "Junior HOF" recognition....Pirates relief pitcher, Elroy Face. I don't have his career stats to post here but his 1959 season was incredible. I believe "Little Elroy" (he was maybe 5'8"?) went 18-1 as a reliever that campaign and won 17 of those in a row! (The Pirates finished a disappointing 4th in '59.) Saves were not kept then so I don't know how many of those he would have had. In Pirates '60 World Championship season he was again a most reliable arm in the pen year and their "closer". Face threw a fork ball, a GOOD fork ball. I think it was a rather unique pitch at that time. He finished 3 of the 4 Pittsburgh wins vs Yanks in WS, they would all have been considered saves I believe. Only Face, Vern Law and Harvey Haddix had any clue how to get the Yankees out in that series. In the end, that was enough! Here’s one guy who really does deserve some “Junior HOF” recognition….Pirates relief pitcher, Elroy Face. I don’t have his career stats to post here but his 1959 season was incredible. I believe “Little Elroy” (he was maybe 5′8″?) went 18-1 as a reliever that campaign and won 17 of those in a row! (The Pirates finished a disappointing 4th in ‘59.) Saves were not kept then so I don’t know how many of those he would have had. In Pirates ‘60 World Championship season he was again a most reliable arm in the pen year and their “closer”. Face threw a fork ball, a GOOD fork ball. I think it was a rather unique pitch at that time. He finished 3 of the 4 Pittsburgh wins vs Yanks in WS, they would all have been considered saves I believe. Only Face, Vern Law and Harvey Haddix had any clue how to get the Yankees out in that series. In the end, that was enough!

]]> By: Owen Ranger http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51448 Owen Ranger Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:07:52 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51448 Curt Flood Outfielder Reason Not Inducted: Short-ish playing career, failure of voters to appreciate pioneers In addition to challenging the reserve clause that directly led to free agency and a complete change of the entire baseball landscape, Flood was a damn good player. He hit .300 or better 6 times, and although his OPS was never spectacular, he was one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball over his career, leading the NL in putouts 4 times. He was a 3-time all-star and a 2-time World Series champion with the Cardinals. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has to be in the Hall of Fame Jr. Curt Flood
Outfielder
Reason Not Inducted: Short-ish playing career, failure of voters to appreciate pioneers

In addition to challenging the reserve clause that directly led to free agency and a complete change of the entire baseball landscape, Flood was a damn good player. He hit .300 or better 6 times, and although his OPS was never spectacular, he was one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball over his career, leading the NL in putouts 4 times. He was a 3-time all-star and a 2-time World Series champion with the Cardinals. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has to be in the Hall of Fame Jr.

]]> By: Jamie http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51347 Jamie Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:56:04 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51347 Jose Canseco Player/Muckraker Reason not in HOF: Jerk, admitted steroid user, numbers may fall just short in the steroid era Achievements: First 40/40 player, 462 HRs, 132 OPS+, 1986 ROY, 1988 MVP. Also may have almost single handedly brought in the Steroid Era early in his career, and then may have single handedly ended it with his book. Also only player who at any point told the truth about steroids in the game. Arod makes Canseco's enshrinement required does it not? Jose Canseco
Player/Muckraker
Reason not in HOF: Jerk, admitted steroid user, numbers may fall just short in the steroid era
Achievements: First 40/40 player, 462 HRs, 132 OPS+, 1986 ROY, 1988 MVP. Also may have almost single handedly brought in the Steroid Era early in his career, and then may have single handedly ended it with his book. Also only player who at any point told the truth about steroids in the game.
Arod makes Canseco’s enshrinement required does it not?

]]> By: Lawhamel http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51299 Lawhamel Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:47:49 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/02/04/hall-of-fame-jr/#comment-51299 Sorry - I forgot - in addition to Hal Richman (and Strat is the one and only, sorry APBA, et al), I want Dan Okrent, Glen Waggoner and the rest of the "Rotisserie Baseball" crew, Ken Burns, the inventor of the Whiffle Ball, Bill James and the guy from Baseball-Reference.com. Sorry – I forgot – in addition to Hal Richman (and Strat is the one and only, sorry APBA, et al), I want Dan Okrent, Glen Waggoner and the rest of the “Rotisserie Baseball” crew, Ken Burns, the inventor of the Whiffle Ball, Bill James and the guy from Baseball-Reference.com.

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