Comments on: My MVP Ballot (Finally) http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/ Curiously Long Posts Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:33:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Baby name meaning and origin for Orel http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-54265 Baby name meaning and origin for Orel Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:22:20 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-54265 [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) " Joe Posnanski reddit_url='http://www.baby-parenting.com/baby/babyname/Orel' reddit_title='Baby name meaning and origin for Orel' [...] [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) ” Joe Posnanski reddit_url=’http://www.baby-parenting.com/baby/babyname/Orel’ reddit_title=’Baby name meaning and origin for Orel’ [...]

]]> By: Michael Bravard http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45908 Michael Bravard Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:36:32 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45908 Great choice! Mauer was as clear a choice as Trammell over Bell! But RBI totals did the Trammell in. In this case its much harder to see how the 2b beat the C? The replaceable argument in favor of Mauer was outstanding. About 9-9-09: Why is Morgan among the greatest critics of "Stat guys" when they are his greatest advocates as best 2b ever? Mike Bravard Great choice!
Mauer was as clear a choice as Trammell over Bell!
But RBI totals did the Trammell in.
In this case its much harder to see how the 2b beat the C?
The replaceable argument in favor of Mauer was outstanding.
About 9-9-09: Why is Morgan among the greatest critics of “Stat guys” when they are his greatest advocates as best 2b ever?

Mike Bravard

]]> By: John Q. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45793 John Q. Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:10:17 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45793 Excellent article. I love the "replaceabliity" factor in talking about Joe Mauer. The Twins could have replaced Morneau to a certain degree last summer, but if Joe Mauer got hurt forget it. They would have been out of the playoff chase by August. Mauer would be a superstar if he played in New York, Boston or L.A. He probably should have won 2 MVP trophys. i love the bad MVP choices of the past. Especially Alan Trammell. I really can't believe this guy is doing so poorly in HOF voting. Excellent point about how "scrappy" middle infielders are over-rated and very-good to great middle infielders are under-rated. Excellent article.

I love the “replaceabliity” factor in talking about Joe Mauer. The Twins could have replaced Morneau to a certain degree last summer, but if Joe Mauer got hurt forget it. They would have been out of the playoff chase by August. Mauer would be a superstar if he played in New York, Boston or L.A. He probably should have won 2 MVP trophys.

i love the bad MVP choices of the past. Especially Alan Trammell. I really can’t believe this guy is doing so poorly in HOF voting.

Excellent point about how “scrappy” middle infielders are over-rated and very-good to great middle infielders are under-rated.

]]> By: sawdustking http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45750 sawdustking Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:01:03 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-45750 Looks like Morneau's defense has been pretty well discussed (I personally think it's pretty good), but what I find completely astounding is the statement that he can't run. He hit 51 doubles and triples in '08! Looks like Morneau’s defense has been pretty well discussed (I personally think it’s pretty good), but what I find completely astounding is the statement that he can’t run. He hit 51 doubles and triples in ‘08!

]]> By: 2008 al mvp : tobuyautoinsurance http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-43659 2008 al mvp : tobuyautoinsurance Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:38:28 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-43659 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: | Tits and Baseball http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42830 | Tits and Baseball Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:12:24 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42830 [...] just two Baseball Writers Association of America members with an actual MVP ballot this season to cast a first-place vote for Joe Mauer:I felt very strongly that he should have been the American League MVP in 2006 over [...] [...] just two Baseball Writers Association of America members with an actual MVP ballot this season to cast a first-place vote for Joe Mauer:I felt very strongly that he should have been the American League MVP in 2006 over [...]

]]> By: Keatang http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42798 Keatang Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:44:36 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42798 The Genius of Joe is the italicized asides that go on for hundreds of words... So, how 'bout a list of guys who lost the MVP because a teammate siphoned votes away from him? Kirk Gibson was one of the worst MVPs ever - .290 average/76 RBIs/25 HRs. For good measure he committed 12 errors, which is a lot for a left fielder. Strawberry went .269/101 RBIs/30 HRs. Gibson stole 31 bases and Straw stole 29. And they each won their division. I'm using triple crown numbers because that's all that mattered in 1988 - but if you want to go sabermetrics the story is strong, because Straw's one weakness - batting average - gets mitigated by a nearly-as-good OBP. So what happened? Kevin McReynolds had an awesome September is what happened, and he slipped in a stole a bunch of first place votes from Straw. I know all this because I'm an obsessive Mets fan (and the Mets have never won an MVP), but I assume there are other instances of guys getting jobbed on MVPs because a teammate siphoned some votes away... The Genius of Joe is the italicized asides that go on for hundreds of words…

So, how ’bout a list of guys who lost the MVP because a teammate siphoned votes away from him?

Kirk Gibson was one of the worst MVPs ever – .290 average/76 RBIs/25 HRs. For good measure he committed 12 errors, which is a lot for a left fielder.

Strawberry went .269/101 RBIs/30 HRs. Gibson stole 31 bases and Straw stole 29. And they each won their division.

I’m using triple crown numbers because that’s all that mattered in 1988 – but if you want to go sabermetrics the story is strong, because Straw’s one weakness – batting average – gets mitigated by a nearly-as-good OBP.

So what happened? Kevin McReynolds had an awesome September is what happened, and he slipped in a stole a bunch of first place votes from Straw.

I know all this because I’m an obsessive Mets fan (and the Mets have never won an MVP), but I assume there are other instances of guys getting jobbed on MVPs because a teammate siphoned some votes away…

]]> By: James Feldman http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42647 James Feldman Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:09:47 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42647 I know the Orioles didn't have much of a season, but I can't help but note that both Huff and Markakis made two out of three of the VORP, Win Shares, and EqA, and don't rate even an honorable mention from you (and each is just outside the top ten in the list they don't make). And while lineup depth is of questionable effect on individual statistics, they both had those seasons in a lineup that often featured total deadweight at first base, shortstop, and catcher. They both played nearly every game, unlike Hamilton, Kinsler, Bradley or Quentin, and like the Rangers and Indians were never in contention in their division or the wild card. I'm not saying that either of these players had slam dunk better years than anyone on your list, but they clearly were among the most valuable players in the American League and deserve more recognition than they have received to date. I know the Orioles didn’t have much of a season, but I can’t help but note that both Huff and Markakis made two out of three of the VORP, Win Shares, and EqA, and don’t rate even an honorable mention from you (and each is just outside the top ten in the list they don’t make). And while lineup depth is of questionable effect on individual statistics, they both had those seasons in a lineup that often featured total deadweight at first base, shortstop, and catcher. They both played nearly every game, unlike Hamilton, Kinsler, Bradley or Quentin, and like the Rangers and Indians were never in contention in their division or the wild card.

I’m not saying that either of these players had slam dunk better years than anyone on your list, but they clearly were among the most valuable players in the American League and deserve more recognition than they have received to date.

]]> By: love reign oer me | CNN.com http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42548 love reign oer me | CNN.com Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:06:36 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42548 [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) Wynn was the Toy Cannon with a lot of walks and more power. Batting average and RBIs certainly reigned in 1974. Glad those days are gone, right? Heh? Who’s with me? 1984: Alan Trammell over Willie Hernandez. … [...] [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) Wynn was the Toy Cannon with a lot of walks and more power. Batting average and RBIs certainly reigned in 1974. Glad those days are gone, right? Heh? Who’s with me? 1984: Alan Trammell over Willie Hernandez. … [...]

]]> By: 8 bit music | Intel.com http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/25/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42537 8 bit music | Intel.com Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:59:14 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/24/my-mvp-ballot-finally/#comment-42537 [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) OK, time for a rambling post about my American League MVP ballot. I’m not sure if I will get another post up before Thanksgiving — I do have one in the works about this awesome sports music playlist I have put together, but I am working on this book — 09/09/09 — and I’m not sure if I will get … [...] [...] My MVP Ballot (Finally) OK, time for a rambling post about my American League MVP ballot. I’m not sure if I will get another post up before Thanksgiving — I do have one in the works about this awesome sports music playlist I have put together, but I am working on this book — 09/09/09 — and I’m not sure if I will get … [...]

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