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		<title>By: The Girl Who Loved Andy Pettitte &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gold Glove Results</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/06/not-so-hot-stove-talk/#comment-45434</link>
		<dc:creator>The Girl Who Loved Andy Pettitte &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gold Glove Results</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can (and should) also read Joe Posnanski&#8217;s look at this thing because he does a much better job than me of analyzing the blips in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: free chatrooms</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/06/not-so-hot-stove-talk/#comment-44098</link>
		<dc:creator>free chatrooms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;free chatrooms...&lt;/strong&gt;

free single chat...</description>
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<p>free single chat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Motherscratcher</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/06/not-so-hot-stove-talk/#comment-40030</link>
		<dc:creator>Motherscratcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Cleveland I&#039;ve also been hearing the Teahen for Guttierez rumor.  I&#039;ve got to tell you, I&#039;m not at all excited about the prospect of Teahen being our third baseman (although at least he&#039;s a lot better than Marte.  So he&#039;s got that going for him, which is nice).  I know Gutierrez had a bad year, but he is a great defender and I think would be more valuable to a club like Cleveland as a 4th outfielder than Teahen would be as a starter, even though Teahen is probably the more valuable player overall, if that makes any sense.

Also, Gutierrez obviously couldn&#039;t hit last year, but he&#039;s young and could develop into an average hitter.   Will he?...Oh, I don&#039;t know.  Let me get back to you on that.  I&#039;ve got a guy on another blog about some white walls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Cleveland I&#8217;ve also been hearing the Teahen for Guttierez rumor.  I&#8217;ve got to tell you, I&#8217;m not at all excited about the prospect of Teahen being our third baseman (although at least he&#8217;s a lot better than Marte.  So he&#8217;s got that going for him, which is nice).  I know Gutierrez had a bad year, but he is a great defender and I think would be more valuable to a club like Cleveland as a 4th outfielder than Teahen would be as a starter, even though Teahen is probably the more valuable player overall, if that makes any sense.</p>
<p>Also, Gutierrez obviously couldn&#8217;t hit last year, but he&#8217;s young and could develop into an average hitter.   Will he?&#8230;Oh, I don&#8217;t know.  Let me get back to you on that.  I&#8217;ve got a guy on another blog about some white walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As so often happens, I must let a child lead us... or more precisely the children of &quot;South Park.&quot;  In their post election episode (and I&#039;ve got to say, as a long time computer gaming professional who taped the episode and watched it closely, they HAD to have made about 1.3 episodes in advance and then spliced in the appropriate winner/loser comments*; a brilliant piece of fast topical animation editing) all the folks who voted for Obama partied in the streets, all the folks who voted for McCain hid in caves, and only the kids were sane.  The next morning, the world hadn&#039;t ended, the partiers were hungover (if not unemployed and pantsless), and life goes on.

  For a number of years I could not watch football on television because I got so angry at bad calls even if I wasn&#039;t rooting for either team.  Well, this election seems to have rubbed a lot of people the same way.  We have had 43 presidents and somehow survived them all.  We have had presidents take office during recessions and wars and muddled through.  The vitriol of this campaign, on both sides, clearly was beyond the pale.  Obama has not even taken office and yet some folks are acting like he is worse for the country than World War 2, The Civil War, the Great Depression, the San Francisco earthquake, and 9/11.  We survived all those things (and many others).  So take a deep breath, settle down, and give the guy a chance to actually do something wrong before we go all apoplectic about him.  Unless you&#039;re racist.  In which case, okay, Obama truly is your worst nightmare.  Sorry, dude.
 
 &lt;i&gt;The major subplot of the South Park episode was a takeoff on Ocean&#039;s Eleven, where McCain and Obama had set up this entire election to guarantee one of them would have access to the Oval Office escape tunnel, which runs directly under the Smithsonian, and by using it on election night when everybody was either partying or hiding in caves they could thus steal the Hope Diamond.  And I&#039;d bet a paycheck that if McCain had won, they would have had the episode ready to go the other way.&lt;/i&gt;

As for the Royals, they need a lot.  The first step is to get nine guys on the field regularly that many other teams would want to have on THEIR teams.  I think Mike Jacobs is such a guy.  I note that Billy Beane traded for Matt Holliday today and speculation is rampant that he&#039;ll trade Holliday for more stuff.  Is there any chance that Jacobs was acquired the same way?  I mean, the Cubs are one &quot;win now&quot; team that was extremely susceptible to RHP in the playoffs; perhaps Lee or Jacobs could play a bit of outfield, and Jacobs would be a straight platooner, and then the Cubbies might be able to sneak past all those right handed rotations in the NL West.  If the Angels don&#039;t sign Texeira, Jacobs might fit in there.  So I think the Royals got Jacobs because he was clearly a better player, and they&#039;ll either use him (and maybe get the team slugging component of OPS+ up to 100) or trade him for more valuable pieces than they gave up.

Yeah, I know, it requires believing in competence in the Royals&#039; front office.  But keep hope alive, at least until they disappoint us again.

Finally, as for Polk/Clay/Ramirez/Pujols, what I *think* was being suggested is that Clay was the better man for the job, but Polk got the presidency, same as Pujols is better than Ramirez, but Ramirez got the award.  But that&#039;s probably just my degree in American History talking through 30 years of spiderwebs and disuse.  Personally, I&#039;m having some major arguments as to whether or not Buchanan was the worst president of all time for his failure to prevent the Civil War (I argue not; out and out corruption to me is worse than mere incompetence).  But Polk wasn&#039;t that bad.  Not a drunk like Pierce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As so often happens, I must let a child lead us&#8230; or more precisely the children of &#8220;South Park.&#8221;  In their post election episode (and I&#8217;ve got to say, as a long time computer gaming professional who taped the episode and watched it closely, they HAD to have made about 1.3 episodes in advance and then spliced in the appropriate winner/loser comments*; a brilliant piece of fast topical animation editing) all the folks who voted for Obama partied in the streets, all the folks who voted for McCain hid in caves, and only the kids were sane.  The next morning, the world hadn&#8217;t ended, the partiers were hungover (if not unemployed and pantsless), and life goes on.</p>
<p>  For a number of years I could not watch football on television because I got so angry at bad calls even if I wasn&#8217;t rooting for either team.  Well, this election seems to have rubbed a lot of people the same way.  We have had 43 presidents and somehow survived them all.  We have had presidents take office during recessions and wars and muddled through.  The vitriol of this campaign, on both sides, clearly was beyond the pale.  Obama has not even taken office and yet some folks are acting like he is worse for the country than World War 2, The Civil War, the Great Depression, the San Francisco earthquake, and 9/11.  We survived all those things (and many others).  So take a deep breath, settle down, and give the guy a chance to actually do something wrong before we go all apoplectic about him.  Unless you&#8217;re racist.  In which case, okay, Obama truly is your worst nightmare.  Sorry, dude.</p>
<p> <i>The major subplot of the South Park episode was a takeoff on Ocean&#8217;s Eleven, where McCain and Obama had set up this entire election to guarantee one of them would have access to the Oval Office escape tunnel, which runs directly under the Smithsonian, and by using it on election night when everybody was either partying or hiding in caves they could thus steal the Hope Diamond.  And I&#8217;d bet a paycheck that if McCain had won, they would have had the episode ready to go the other way.</i></p>
<p>As for the Royals, they need a lot.  The first step is to get nine guys on the field regularly that many other teams would want to have on THEIR teams.  I think Mike Jacobs is such a guy.  I note that Billy Beane traded for Matt Holliday today and speculation is rampant that he&#8217;ll trade Holliday for more stuff.  Is there any chance that Jacobs was acquired the same way?  I mean, the Cubs are one &#8220;win now&#8221; team that was extremely susceptible to RHP in the playoffs; perhaps Lee or Jacobs could play a bit of outfield, and Jacobs would be a straight platooner, and then the Cubbies might be able to sneak past all those right handed rotations in the NL West.  If the Angels don&#8217;t sign Texeira, Jacobs might fit in there.  So I think the Royals got Jacobs because he was clearly a better player, and they&#8217;ll either use him (and maybe get the team slugging component of OPS+ up to 100) or trade him for more valuable pieces than they gave up.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know, it requires believing in competence in the Royals&#8217; front office.  But keep hope alive, at least until they disappoint us again.</p>
<p>Finally, as for Polk/Clay/Ramirez/Pujols, what I *think* was being suggested is that Clay was the better man for the job, but Polk got the presidency, same as Pujols is better than Ramirez, but Ramirez got the award.  But that&#8217;s probably just my degree in American History talking through 30 years of spiderwebs and disuse.  Personally, I&#8217;m having some major arguments as to whether or not Buchanan was the worst president of all time for his failure to prevent the Civil War (I argue not; out and out corruption to me is worse than mere incompetence).  But Polk wasn&#8217;t that bad.  Not a drunk like Pierce.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with the shot at James Polk? Seriously, if you don&#039;t like Obama, of if you don&#039;t like McCain, whatever, whatever. But Gate, how can you possibly put James Polk on the level of Aramis Ramirez?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with the shot at James Polk? Seriously, if you don&#8217;t like Obama, of if you don&#8217;t like McCain, whatever, whatever. But Gate, how can you possibly put James Polk on the level of Aramis Ramirez?</p>
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		<title>By: KHAZAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>KHAZAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Chuck hit .389/.389.500 on a 2-0 count, that means(incredibly) that it NEVER led to a walk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Chuck hit .389/.389.500 on a 2-0 count, that means(incredibly) that it NEVER led to a walk</p>
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		<title>By: Creston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a baseball player with a decent bat, I would play my position as follows :

Never reach for a ball you could conceivably get. Never dive for a ball you could conceivably get. Never run too far. Only go for those fly balls that you&#039;re 100% certain you will catch, and then catch them with both hands to make sure you don&#039;t drop it. Don&#039;t charge in on any balls, don&#039;t run back on any balls. Just play your position as Stan Musial&#039;s statue would play it.

As a result, I&#039;d win a gold glove every year because I&#039;d have a fielding percentage that would make me the modern day Ozzie Smith. And I&#039;d sail into the Hall of Fame with my 19 gold gloves.

The state of baseball thinking in this country makes me terribly, terribly sad. Michael freaking Young. And you though Derek Jeter was bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were a baseball player with a decent bat, I would play my position as follows :</p>
<p>Never reach for a ball you could conceivably get. Never dive for a ball you could conceivably get. Never run too far. Only go for those fly balls that you&#8217;re 100% certain you will catch, and then catch them with both hands to make sure you don&#8217;t drop it. Don&#8217;t charge in on any balls, don&#8217;t run back on any balls. Just play your position as Stan Musial&#8217;s statue would play it.</p>
<p>As a result, I&#8217;d win a gold glove every year because I&#8217;d have a fielding percentage that would make me the modern day Ozzie Smith. And I&#8217;d sail into the Hall of Fame with my 19 gold gloves.</p>
<p>The state of baseball thinking in this country makes me terribly, terribly sad. Michael freaking Young. And you though Derek Jeter was bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Francouer will rebound after a bad year.  His numbers have been good in the past and I wouldn&#039;t mind it if the Royals gave him a try, that said they shouldn&#039;t give up much to get him if it presents itself.  From my understanding Frenchy is high on Moore&#039;s wishlist.

I would not be in favor of any trade involving Butler or Bannister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Francouer will rebound after a bad year.  His numbers have been good in the past and I wouldn&#8217;t mind it if the Royals gave him a try, that said they shouldn&#8217;t give up much to get him if it presents itself.  From my understanding Frenchy is high on Moore&#8217;s wishlist.</p>
<p>I would not be in favor of any trade involving Butler or Bannister.</p>
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		<title>By: Creston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re : Darren Lewis. Neifi Perez got 5127 at-bats with an OPS+ of 64...

Which HAS to be some kind of all-time record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re : Darren Lewis. Neifi Perez got 5127 at-bats with an OPS+ of 64&#8230;</p>
<p>Which HAS to be some kind of all-time record.</p>
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		<title>By: INAPERFECTWORLD</title>
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		<dc:creator>INAPERFECTWORLD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been saying it for years, bears repeating. The Royals have NO chance as long as Glass is the owner. None, nada, zip, zilcho...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been saying it for years, bears repeating. The Royals have NO chance as long as Glass is the owner. None, nada, zip, zilcho&#8230;</p>
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