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		<title>By: Bellylard</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/20/big-game-garza-and-other-thoughts/#comment-37216</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellylard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yankees will outbid the Redsucks for CC if he is coming east. Boston has more issues with health than the Rays. Drew, Papi, and Lowell are key pieces, and the bottom of their order still figures to stink. You have to figure that was a career year by Youkilis Cornelius and Dice-K will be a half run a game worse next year given his walk rate and luck on balls in play. Beckett has shown he will not stay in shape. Papelbon&#039;s strikeout rate is coming down. They could be fourth if the breaks go against them, and Toronto and NY fill some holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankees will outbid the Redsucks for CC if he is coming east. Boston has more issues with health than the Rays. Drew, Papi, and Lowell are key pieces, and the bottom of their order still figures to stink. You have to figure that was a career year by Youkilis Cornelius and Dice-K will be a half run a game worse next year given his walk rate and luck on balls in play. Beckett has shown he will not stay in shape. Papelbon&#8217;s strikeout rate is coming down. They could be fourth if the breaks go against them, and Toronto and NY fill some holes.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/20/big-game-garza-and-other-thoughts/#comment-37148</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Andrew Friedman and the job that he has done down in Tampa Bay, as a Red Sox fan, I am not quite ready to concede the AL East to the Rays for the next 5 years.

Jon Lester put up an ERA+ of 143 in his age 24 season.
Daisuke Matsuzaka put up an ERA+ of 158 in his age 28 season.
Josh Beckett, in a season that was compromised by two stints on the DL, put up an ERA+ of 114 in his age 28 season.

Additionally, Buchholz, Masterson, and Bowden offer the possibility of another young arm to do battle with the vaunted Rays. 

The real wildcard, of course is the Sox&#039; (and Yankees&#039;) ability to make big ticket acquisitions to augment their rosters.  So, maybe your buddies Allard and Bill decide that signing Teixeira or  Sabathia would put the Sox over the top.

In that case, they rotation could look like:
Sabathia
Beckett
Lester
Matsuzaka
Wakefield/Buchholz/Masterson/Me

or their lineup could look like:

Ellsbury     CF
Pedroia     2B 
Ortiz          DH
Youkilis     3B
Teixeira    1B
Bay           LF
Drew         RF
Lowrie       SS
Varitek       C

The Rays are undoubtedly loaded with young cost controlled talent.  I guess what I am trying to say is, bring on Spring Training; I miss baseball already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Andrew Friedman and the job that he has done down in Tampa Bay, as a Red Sox fan, I am not quite ready to concede the AL East to the Rays for the next 5 years.</p>
<p>Jon Lester put up an ERA+ of 143 in his age 24 season.<br />
Daisuke Matsuzaka put up an ERA+ of 158 in his age 28 season.<br />
Josh Beckett, in a season that was compromised by two stints on the DL, put up an ERA+ of 114 in his age 28 season.</p>
<p>Additionally, Buchholz, Masterson, and Bowden offer the possibility of another young arm to do battle with the vaunted Rays. </p>
<p>The real wildcard, of course is the Sox&#8217; (and Yankees&#8217;) ability to make big ticket acquisitions to augment their rosters.  So, maybe your buddies Allard and Bill decide that signing Teixeira or  Sabathia would put the Sox over the top.</p>
<p>In that case, they rotation could look like:<br />
Sabathia<br />
Beckett<br />
Lester<br />
Matsuzaka<br />
Wakefield/Buchholz/Masterson/Me</p>
<p>or their lineup could look like:</p>
<p>Ellsbury     CF<br />
Pedroia     2B<br />
Ortiz          DH<br />
Youkilis     3B<br />
Teixeira    1B<br />
Bay           LF<br />
Drew         RF<br />
Lowrie       SS<br />
Varitek       C</p>
<p>The Rays are undoubtedly loaded with young cost controlled talent.  I guess what I am trying to say is, bring on Spring Training; I miss baseball already.</p>
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		<title>By: paul pendergast</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul pendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe:  According to your post a few days ago, you would move Price to be the Rays closer next year.  
I agree with Mike Williams and about 10% of the Royals fans out there: move Soria to the rotation.  You know, I drive by the stadium and I don&#039;t see many flags for division or league championships.  It is time they make a change.  The Rays won the league with great starting pitching and a good young team.  Their closer this year was Percival who is about the 12th best closer in the AL.  When he was out, Wheeler was their closer-who makes Joe Borowski look like Mo Rivera.  
I&#039;m not foolish enough to suggest that Grienke-Soria-Meche would be Zito-Hudson-Mulder but it might be better than you think.  
By the way I predicted game 6 right down to final score.  But I was way off on my Mizzou prediction, picking the wrong team.  Just saying, it is 89% more likely that someone can pick the exact score for a baseball game vs a football game.  And I am 40% sure of that.

Phils 5 Rays 3 game 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe:  According to your post a few days ago, you would move Price to be the Rays closer next year.<br />
I agree with Mike Williams and about 10% of the Royals fans out there: move Soria to the rotation.  You know, I drive by the stadium and I don&#8217;t see many flags for division or league championships.  It is time they make a change.  The Rays won the league with great starting pitching and a good young team.  Their closer this year was Percival who is about the 12th best closer in the AL.  When he was out, Wheeler was their closer-who makes Joe Borowski look like Mo Rivera.<br />
I&#8217;m not foolish enough to suggest that Grienke-Soria-Meche would be Zito-Hudson-Mulder but it might be better than you think.<br />
By the way I predicted game 6 right down to final score.  But I was way off on my Mizzou prediction, picking the wrong team.  Just saying, it is 89% more likely that someone can pick the exact score for a baseball game vs a football game.  And I am 40% sure of that.</p>
<p>Phils 5 Rays 3 game 1</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re all missing the big issue here, which is how on earth are they going to turn &quot;Moneyball&quot; into a movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re all missing the big issue here, which is how on earth are they going to turn &#8220;Moneyball&#8221; into a movie?</p>
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		<title>By: nightfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look out for the 2012 Padres.
Just sayin&#039;, is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look out for the 2012 Padres.<br />
Just sayin&#8217;, is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Rays are going to be around for quite some time, but I&#039;m still not terribly nervous as a Sox fan.  That&#039;s not just because I think the Sox will always be in a better position to buy themselves out of trouble (which they are), or will be better able to retain their young talent (which they are), or that they have a deeper farm system (which they do).  It&#039;s also because they have the better top-to-bottom talent on the big league roster right now.  Just go position by position:

1B - Close, but Youk is younger and more consistent, plus can play solid third base if needed.  Advantage - Boston
2B - Clear advantage for Boston
SS - Bartlett may be the Rays MVP, but Lowrie outhit him, is four years younger, and can play three positions.  Advantage - Boston
3B - Overwhelming advantage for Tampa
LF - Crawford is a bit younger and is entering his prime, but Bay is a better all around player.   Advantage - Boston
CF - Clear advantage for Tampa at the moment, though it will be interesting to see how Ellsbury develops.
RF - Clear advantage for Boston, assuming Drew can stay on the field.  If not, all bets are off.
C - Clear advantage to Tampa, as Navarro is young and good, while Varitek looks like he couldn&#039;t hit my fastball at this point.
DH - Even a battered Papi is better than Cliff Floyd.  Advantage - Boston

Rotation - I&#039;m going to call this a push.  The back end of Tampa&#039;s rotation (call it Price and either Sonnanstine or Jackson) is better than Boston (Buchholz and Wakefield).  That could change if the Sox dump Wakefield and/or Buchholz finds his groove again, but as of now the Rays have a clear edge.  Conversely, I think the Sox are slightly better at the top.  I will still take a healthy Beckett and Lester over Garza and Shields.  That leaves Matsuzaka versus Kazmir as the deciding factor, and I can see both sides of that one.  Kazmir&#039;s much younger, which is in his favor, but Matsuzaka has been more durable and has a better overall track record once you take Japan into account.  Their career ERA+ marks are almost identical.  I&#039;ll call that a push.

Bullpen - I don&#039;t see how this can be called anything but a major advantage for the Sox.  Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen and Masterson are all good and (except for Okajima) young.  They&#039;ve also got Michael Bowden waiting in the wings.  Except for J.P. Howell, the Rays pen is comprised of older journeymen with no real track record of success, except for Percival, who can&#039;t say on the field.  Okay, maybe Wheeler if he&#039;s limited to a setup role, though he&#039;s already 30 and has fluctuated as wildly as most middle relievers throughout his career.

Of course, all of this is as of right now, which won&#039;t really reflect the two teams when the 2009 season opens.  I suspect Tampa will sign a bat and trade away an excess arm for another bat, while I suspect the Red Sox will deal for a better backstop and find another solution for their final rotation slot.  Regardless, based on just the talent currently on the team, I still think the Sox have a future that&#039;s at least as bright as Tampa&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Rays are going to be around for quite some time, but I&#8217;m still not terribly nervous as a Sox fan.  That&#8217;s not just because I think the Sox will always be in a better position to buy themselves out of trouble (which they are), or will be better able to retain their young talent (which they are), or that they have a deeper farm system (which they do).  It&#8217;s also because they have the better top-to-bottom talent on the big league roster right now.  Just go position by position:</p>
<p>1B &#8211; Close, but Youk is younger and more consistent, plus can play solid third base if needed.  Advantage &#8211; Boston<br />
2B &#8211; Clear advantage for Boston<br />
SS &#8211; Bartlett may be the Rays MVP, but Lowrie outhit him, is four years younger, and can play three positions.  Advantage &#8211; Boston<br />
3B &#8211; Overwhelming advantage for Tampa<br />
LF &#8211; Crawford is a bit younger and is entering his prime, but Bay is a better all around player.   Advantage &#8211; Boston<br />
CF &#8211; Clear advantage for Tampa at the moment, though it will be interesting to see how Ellsbury develops.<br />
RF &#8211; Clear advantage for Boston, assuming Drew can stay on the field.  If not, all bets are off.<br />
C &#8211; Clear advantage to Tampa, as Navarro is young and good, while Varitek looks like he couldn&#8217;t hit my fastball at this point.<br />
DH &#8211; Even a battered Papi is better than Cliff Floyd.  Advantage &#8211; Boston</p>
<p>Rotation &#8211; I&#8217;m going to call this a push.  The back end of Tampa&#8217;s rotation (call it Price and either Sonnanstine or Jackson) is better than Boston (Buchholz and Wakefield).  That could change if the Sox dump Wakefield and/or Buchholz finds his groove again, but as of now the Rays have a clear edge.  Conversely, I think the Sox are slightly better at the top.  I will still take a healthy Beckett and Lester over Garza and Shields.  That leaves Matsuzaka versus Kazmir as the deciding factor, and I can see both sides of that one.  Kazmir&#8217;s much younger, which is in his favor, but Matsuzaka has been more durable and has a better overall track record once you take Japan into account.  Their career ERA+ marks are almost identical.  I&#8217;ll call that a push.</p>
<p>Bullpen &#8211; I don&#8217;t see how this can be called anything but a major advantage for the Sox.  Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen and Masterson are all good and (except for Okajima) young.  They&#8217;ve also got Michael Bowden waiting in the wings.  Except for J.P. Howell, the Rays pen is comprised of older journeymen with no real track record of success, except for Percival, who can&#8217;t say on the field.  Okay, maybe Wheeler if he&#8217;s limited to a setup role, though he&#8217;s already 30 and has fluctuated as wildly as most middle relievers throughout his career.</p>
<p>Of course, all of this is as of right now, which won&#8217;t really reflect the two teams when the 2009 season opens.  I suspect Tampa will sign a bat and trade away an excess arm for another bat, while I suspect the Red Sox will deal for a better backstop and find another solution for their final rotation slot.  Regardless, based on just the talent currently on the team, I still think the Sox have a future that&#8217;s at least as bright as Tampa&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gate: I think you bring up a pretty good point in that the Rays, while they&#039;ll be very good, could take a small step back. 

I agree that Crawford is somewhat overrated, and the bullpen could well be something of a fluke (if only because good bullpens are frequently flukes). But Longoria will continue to mash, and I think Upton has more power than he&#039;s shown this year. I also think you underrate Carlos Pena. His &#039;07 was clearly an outlier, but I don&#039;t think he played too far above his head - if at all - this year. The Rays are not exactly shoo-ins to dominate the AL East for the next five seasons, and I certainly don&#039;t think the Red Sox are going anywhere (the Yankees are a question mark - if their young pitching comes around, they&#039;ll be good, if not, who knows), but they&#039;ll be serious contenders for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gate: I think you bring up a pretty good point in that the Rays, while they&#8217;ll be very good, could take a small step back. </p>
<p>I agree that Crawford is somewhat overrated, and the bullpen could well be something of a fluke (if only because good bullpens are frequently flukes). But Longoria will continue to mash, and I think Upton has more power than he&#8217;s shown this year. I also think you underrate Carlos Pena. His &#8216;07 was clearly an outlier, but I don&#8217;t think he played too far above his head &#8211; if at all &#8211; this year. The Rays are not exactly shoo-ins to dominate the AL East for the next five seasons, and I certainly don&#8217;t think the Red Sox are going anywhere (the Yankees are a question mark &#8211; if their young pitching comes around, they&#8217;ll be good, if not, who knows), but they&#8217;ll be serious contenders for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Marsha from the Brady Bunch currently in the news, I can&#039;t get that song out of my head.

It&#039;s a story, about a man named Brady, ( come on , sing it, you know the words ). 

The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Marsha from the Brady Bunch currently in the news, I can&#8217;t get that song out of my head.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a story, about a man named Brady, ( come on , sing it, you know the words ). </p>
<p>The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1971 Astros had Dierker, Wilson, Forsch  and a 21-year phenom who made his debut on Sept. 5 and struck out 15 San Francisco Giants. It took him a while to find control, but he eventually became the best of the bunchâ€”partially because Wilson offed himself, Dierker got hurt and the Astros couldn&#039;t decide if Forsch was a starter or reliever. But until he suffered the stroke in 1980, J.R. Richard was one dominant pitcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1971 Astros had Dierker, Wilson, Forsch  and a 21-year phenom who made his debut on Sept. 5 and struck out 15 San Francisco Giants. It took him a while to find control, but he eventually became the best of the bunchâ€”partially because Wilson offed himself, Dierker got hurt and the Astros couldn&#8217;t decide if Forsch was a starter or reliever. But until he suffered the stroke in 1980, J.R. Richard was one dominant pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rays are going to be terrifying for years to come.  I&#039;ll be stunned if they aren&#039;t.  Just think -- they can throw some money around and get a better DH.  A better right fielder is probably harder to come by, but I just don&#039;t see many holes there to fill.

And their best players won&#039;t reach free agency for, what, 4 years?  Except for Longoria -- who will be the best of the bunch -- whom they&#039;ve signed until he retires.

Face it: we&#039;re all screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rays are going to be terrifying for years to come.  I&#8217;ll be stunned if they aren&#8217;t.  Just think &#8212; they can throw some money around and get a better DH.  A better right fielder is probably harder to come by, but I just don&#8217;t see many holes there to fill.</p>
<p>And their best players won&#8217;t reach free agency for, what, 4 years?  Except for Longoria &#8212; who will be the best of the bunch &#8212; whom they&#8217;ve signed until he retires.</p>
<p>Face it: we&#8217;re all screwed.</p>
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