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		<title>By: tampa florida rental car &#124; Bookmarks URL</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-37165</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unbelivable It reminded me of a story I once read where the writer made a very big deal out of the fact that the subject of the story, when he rented a car, put his rental agreement in the glove compartment. I think the point was that the guy was &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Justyo</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-37107</link>
		<dc:creator>Justyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kev--

Leaving the stadium down 7-0 with 7 outs left, trailing 3-1 in a 7 game series is &quot;bandwagon&quot; in your bitter book? That&#039;s amusing. There&#039;s a great difference between not wanting to see a visiting team celebrate on your home field after a long, extremely SUCCESSFUL season and being a fair weather fan. It&#039;s actually quite uninformed of you to suggest Boston fans are fair weather as you can hear &quot;Let&#039;s Go Red Sox&quot; chanted in almost every other city they come and play in all season long and frankly are there long after the Dodgers or Angel fans have gone home, gathering by the visiting dugout to give respect as they leave the field. Sorry you can&#039;t forgive a few thousand die hards who didnt expect to see the second greatest comeback in professional baseball history.

As a devout 40+ year fan of the Sox it gives me great pleasure to irritate &quot;baseball fans&quot; like you. Winning baseball, strong farm teams, a commitment to every pitch, pure love of the game, strong history - I can see why you hate us. Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kev&#8211;</p>
<p>Leaving the stadium down 7-0 with 7 outs left, trailing 3-1 in a 7 game series is &#8220;bandwagon&#8221; in your bitter book? That&#8217;s amusing. There&#8217;s a great difference between not wanting to see a visiting team celebrate on your home field after a long, extremely SUCCESSFUL season and being a fair weather fan. It&#8217;s actually quite uninformed of you to suggest Boston fans are fair weather as you can hear &#8220;Let&#8217;s Go Red Sox&#8221; chanted in almost every other city they come and play in all season long and frankly are there long after the Dodgers or Angel fans have gone home, gathering by the visiting dugout to give respect as they leave the field. Sorry you can&#8217;t forgive a few thousand die hards who didnt expect to see the second greatest comeback in professional baseball history.</p>
<p>As a devout 40+ year fan of the Sox it gives me great pleasure to irritate &#8220;baseball fans&#8221; like you. Winning baseball, strong farm teams, a commitment to every pitch, pure love of the game, strong history &#8211; I can see why you hate us. Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36986</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank every God there is that the BloSox DID lose the series.  I&#039;m so sick of them and even more so their bandwagon fans.  All those folks leaving FENWAY proves the bandwagon theory.  I used to like the Sox when they were always the heartbroken losers - underdogs.  Now they ARE the evil empire - even more irritating than the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank every God there is that the BloSox DID lose the series.  I&#8217;m so sick of them and even more so their bandwagon fans.  All those folks leaving FENWAY proves the bandwagon theory.  I used to like the Sox when they were always the heartbroken losers &#8211; underdogs.  Now they ARE the evil empire &#8211; even more irritating than the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: Justyo</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36820</link>
		<dc:creator>Justyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to all Rays fans. What great mental toughness displayed tonight. From Garza to Aybar to Price. I didn&#039;t think they could take the pressure. I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to all Rays fans. What great mental toughness displayed tonight. From Garza to Aybar to Price. I didn&#8217;t think they could take the pressure. I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36784</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Game one of the 1988 World Series.  Our seats are just inside third base on the second level.  And my parents wanted to leave after the eighth inning.  I refused (since we drove together).  But they left our excellent seats to walk down to the left field foul pole area to have a shorter walk to our car, and stood for the 9th inning.  The rest you know.
 
What most people outside LA don&#039;t know is just how poorly Dodger Stadium is integrated into the neighborhood.  Leaving the parking lot for the Harbor Freeway is five lanes, but only one lane on the onramp.  Same for the Golden State Freeway, the Hollywood Freeway at Echo Park or Temple, Scott Avenue to the Glendale Freeway (which was closed for many years).  And in the playoffs, when lots of regulars sell their tickets*, then you get a crowd of folks who aren&#039;t used to driving at Dodger Stadium.  A sellout traffic jam for (say) the fireworks games or Opening Day during the season is never nearly as bad getting out of the stadium as a playoffs sellout.  I have seen it take an hour to get from the parking lot to the streets (not even the freeways!) if there is an accident.  And you can&#039;t really hang out to let the traffic disperse; they stop cooking everything, so you can&#039;t even buy a late snack unless you want something cold.
 
&lt;i&gt;I have sold my playoff tickets exactly once in all the years I shared in our family&#039;s season seats, going all the way back to the first year Dodger Stadium opened.  I had a job that insisted I work basically all that weekend.  I could not get out of it.  Sure, I was paid OT, but it was 1981, and this rookie Fernando was supposed to pitch against the Yankees, and it was October and my birthday, for Koufax&#039;s sake!  Then I sold the two tickets for half of what my entire season tickets cost, and I realized why some folks sell their playoff tickets; they need the money.  As soon as I found another job, I quit.  Fernando won that game, the Dodgers won the Series, but I wasn&#039;t there as I was in 1965 and 1988.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
To understand Dodger Stadium traffic, they are within two miles or less of four different freeways (Glendale, Golden State, Harbor/Pasadena, Hollywood) going in almost every direction from downtown Los Angeles.  But street traffic into the stadium on big games can be awful.  There was no public transportation without a fairly good steep hike from Sunset Blvd. (the nearest).  So in those days, you drove.  Maybe you parked outside the Stadium and hiked in, to save on parking (and depending on circumstances, possible saving time leaving).  But you drove.
 
I hate to give the McCourts credit for much of anything, because of all the bad stuff they&#039;ve done to the Stadium and the way they&#039;ve shafted folks who have been loyal fans for decades in search of a few extra dollars.  But I&#039;ll give them full credit for working hard on the traffic problem.  There are now regular free shuttle buses to Union Station, about 15 minutes away assuming heavy but not insane traffic.  From Union Station, you can take the metro (light train) anywhere, you can take CalTrain to lots of outlying suburbs, and you can connect with any large number of buses.  They keep Scott Avenue closed before the games, so the neighborhood isn&#039;t impacted early (especially with scalpers and parkers) but after the game you can drive out, bringing the Glendale Freeway back into service.  They changed traffic flow within the parking lots to make it easier for everybody to get in and out without having to force your way into traffic.  And so people stay later at the game.  Sure, you&#039;ll still see some folks leave early, for whatever reason.  But in general, even in games that aren&#039;t close, fans stay later because they aren&#039;t going to get as badly stuck sitting in traffic.  If they would let the Stadium Club restaurant stay open AFTER the game for general public service, then it would even be okay to stick around late and let traffic disperse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Game one of the 1988 World Series.  Our seats are just inside third base on the second level.  And my parents wanted to leave after the eighth inning.  I refused (since we drove together).  But they left our excellent seats to walk down to the left field foul pole area to have a shorter walk to our car, and stood for the 9th inning.  The rest you know.</p>
<p>What most people outside LA don&#8217;t know is just how poorly Dodger Stadium is integrated into the neighborhood.  Leaving the parking lot for the Harbor Freeway is five lanes, but only one lane on the onramp.  Same for the Golden State Freeway, the Hollywood Freeway at Echo Park or Temple, Scott Avenue to the Glendale Freeway (which was closed for many years).  And in the playoffs, when lots of regulars sell their tickets*, then you get a crowd of folks who aren&#8217;t used to driving at Dodger Stadium.  A sellout traffic jam for (say) the fireworks games or Opening Day during the season is never nearly as bad getting out of the stadium as a playoffs sellout.  I have seen it take an hour to get from the parking lot to the streets (not even the freeways!) if there is an accident.  And you can&#8217;t really hang out to let the traffic disperse; they stop cooking everything, so you can&#8217;t even buy a late snack unless you want something cold.</p>
<p><i>I have sold my playoff tickets exactly once in all the years I shared in our family&#8217;s season seats, going all the way back to the first year Dodger Stadium opened.  I had a job that insisted I work basically all that weekend.  I could not get out of it.  Sure, I was paid OT, but it was 1981, and this rookie Fernando was supposed to pitch against the Yankees, and it was October and my birthday, for Koufax&#8217;s sake!  Then I sold the two tickets for half of what my entire season tickets cost, and I realized why some folks sell their playoff tickets; they need the money.  As soon as I found another job, I quit.  Fernando won that game, the Dodgers won the Series, but I wasn&#8217;t there as I was in 1965 and 1988.</i> </p>
<p>To understand Dodger Stadium traffic, they are within two miles or less of four different freeways (Glendale, Golden State, Harbor/Pasadena, Hollywood) going in almost every direction from downtown Los Angeles.  But street traffic into the stadium on big games can be awful.  There was no public transportation without a fairly good steep hike from Sunset Blvd. (the nearest).  So in those days, you drove.  Maybe you parked outside the Stadium and hiked in, to save on parking (and depending on circumstances, possible saving time leaving).  But you drove.</p>
<p>I hate to give the McCourts credit for much of anything, because of all the bad stuff they&#8217;ve done to the Stadium and the way they&#8217;ve shafted folks who have been loyal fans for decades in search of a few extra dollars.  But I&#8217;ll give them full credit for working hard on the traffic problem.  There are now regular free shuttle buses to Union Station, about 15 minutes away assuming heavy but not insane traffic.  From Union Station, you can take the metro (light train) anywhere, you can take CalTrain to lots of outlying suburbs, and you can connect with any large number of buses.  They keep Scott Avenue closed before the games, so the neighborhood isn&#8217;t impacted early (especially with scalpers and parkers) but after the game you can drive out, bringing the Glendale Freeway back into service.  They changed traffic flow within the parking lots to make it easier for everybody to get in and out without having to force your way into traffic.  And so people stay later at the game.  Sure, you&#8217;ll still see some folks leave early, for whatever reason.  But in general, even in games that aren&#8217;t close, fans stay later because they aren&#8217;t going to get as badly stuck sitting in traffic.  If they would let the Stadium Club restaurant stay open AFTER the game for general public service, then it would even be okay to stick around late and let traffic disperse.</p>
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		<title>By: Justyo</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36711</link>
		<dc:creator>Justyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll stick to my guns. There is simply no way the Rays win this series. Not before it started and definitely not now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll stick to my guns. There is simply no way the Rays win this series. Not before it started and definitely not now.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh F.</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36669</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheeler should&#039;ve been pulled immediately after the cameras showed his expression after whichever big hit he served up. I&#039;m pretty sure it was about the same as Thigpen&#039;s after a pass play was called. After seeing it my brain immediately went to the part in Major League II before Ricky Vaughn gave up the homer to Jack Parkman, &quot;he&#039;s !$*#@%.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheeler should&#8217;ve been pulled immediately after the cameras showed his expression after whichever big hit he served up. I&#8217;m pretty sure it was about the same as Thigpen&#8217;s after a pass play was called. After seeing it my brain immediately went to the part in Major League II before Ricky Vaughn gave up the homer to Jack Parkman, &#8220;he&#8217;s !$*#@%.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Graphite</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36662</link>
		<dc:creator>Graphite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, professional sportsmen do not look at sport, or react to results, the way fans do. A fan will sulk for days, weeks or months over some setback suffered by his team; the players involved will be annoyed at the time, possibly even more so than the fan, but as soon as preparations begin for the next game all is forgotten. The focus needed for the next challenge is all-consuming and leaves no room for bitterness.

The Rays will have walked off Fenway thinking they&#039;d been kicked in the teeth â€” but all their concentration is now on Game 6. Momentum switch? Doesn&#039;t happen. Won&#039;t happen. 

A hallmark of professional sportsmen is their single-mindedness; they treat every game as Game 1 of a one-game series. Any other approach leads to a lesser performance, which leads to defeat.

And nothing concentrates the mind better than a loss in a game that looked won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, professional sportsmen do not look at sport, or react to results, the way fans do. A fan will sulk for days, weeks or months over some setback suffered by his team; the players involved will be annoyed at the time, possibly even more so than the fan, but as soon as preparations begin for the next game all is forgotten. The focus needed for the next challenge is all-consuming and leaves no room for bitterness.</p>
<p>The Rays will have walked off Fenway thinking they&#8217;d been kicked in the teeth â€” but all their concentration is now on Game 6. Momentum switch? Doesn&#8217;t happen. Won&#8217;t happen. </p>
<p>A hallmark of professional sportsmen is their single-mindedness; they treat every game as Game 1 of a one-game series. Any other approach leads to a lesser performance, which leads to defeat.</p>
<p>And nothing concentrates the mind better than a loss in a game that looked won.</p>
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		<title>By: Gate</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36616</link>
		<dc:creator>Gate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys,  I hear Tufts Daily has a Hell of an account of the game.  I just wish I had the link somewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys,  I hear Tufts Daily has a Hell of an account of the game.  I just wish I had the link somewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/10/16/unbelivable/#comment-36613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Chip Caray&#039;s comment on walking the right hander odd, but that didn&#039;t compare to Tim McCarver&#039;s comments just before Matt Stairs ruined the Dodger series...McCarver said the pitcher was &quot;going right after the pinch hitter&quot;  just before the count went to 3-1!  And then explained this was because the pinch hitter is never as good as the regular batter (Jimmy Rollins was due up).  I laughed out loud even before Stairs launched that bomb on the very next pitch.  It would seem to me pinch hitters with power would deserve some finesse pitching as they are likely to be looking fastball early in the count.  But McCarver explained it all away with this useful analysis:  &quot;That pitch was right down the middle.&quot;  You think?  Last night was unbelievable---great playoff baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Chip Caray&#8217;s comment on walking the right hander odd, but that didn&#8217;t compare to Tim McCarver&#8217;s comments just before Matt Stairs ruined the Dodger series&#8230;McCarver said the pitcher was &#8220;going right after the pinch hitter&#8221;  just before the count went to 3-1!  And then explained this was because the pinch hitter is never as good as the regular batter (Jimmy Rollins was due up).  I laughed out loud even before Stairs launched that bomb on the very next pitch.  It would seem to me pinch hitters with power would deserve some finesse pitching as they are likely to be looking fastball early in the count.  But McCarver explained it all away with this useful analysis:  &#8220;That pitch was right down the middle.&#8221;  You think?  Last night was unbelievable&#8212;great playoff baseball.</p>
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