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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/28/obscure-stats-take-1/#comment-33983</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article but the stats are incomplete and therefore inaccurate.  What about

Stats are Runs-2B-HR-RBI-SB

2001 - Bobby Abreu - 118-48-31-110-36

1999 - Chipper Jones - 116-41-45-110-25

&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: The stat requires they drive in MORE than than 110 runs. Yes, that&#039;s a stupid stipulation. But the whole essence is ridiculous -- thus, the &quot;Obscure stats&quot; headline. It&#039;s dumb but accurate.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article but the stats are incomplete and therefore inaccurate.  What about</p>
<p>Stats are Runs-2B-HR-RBI-SB</p>
<p>2001 &#8211; Bobby Abreu &#8211; 118-48-31-110-36</p>
<p>1999 &#8211; Chipper Jones &#8211; 116-41-45-110-25</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: The stat requires they drive in MORE than than 110 runs. Yes, that&#8217;s a stupid stipulation. But the whole essence is ridiculous &#8212; thus, the &#8220;Obscure stats&#8221; headline. It&#8217;s dumb but accurate.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/28/obscure-stats-take-1/#comment-33928</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, did someone say they voted for Mauer because he hits a lot of sac flies?

The AL MVP was tough because noone really jumps out.  I voted for Yook, with Sizemore a close second (33 taters ain&#039;t bad).  Mauer to me is the weakest of the choices; all that love because he&#039;s a catcher?  What about Sizemore?  He&#039;s got much more power and production than anyone else up the center of the field.

True, Youk plays a rather easy defensive position, but he plays it extremely well, and he wasn&#039;t too shabby with the bat (highest OPS+ of all the above candidates), even when presented with the the tough task of replacing a certain long-haired, space cadet left fielder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, did someone say they voted for Mauer because he hits a lot of sac flies?</p>
<p>The AL MVP was tough because noone really jumps out.  I voted for Yook, with Sizemore a close second (33 taters ain&#8217;t bad).  Mauer to me is the weakest of the choices; all that love because he&#8217;s a catcher?  What about Sizemore?  He&#8217;s got much more power and production than anyone else up the center of the field.</p>
<p>True, Youk plays a rather easy defensive position, but he plays it extremely well, and he wasn&#8217;t too shabby with the bat (highest OPS+ of all the above candidates), even when presented with the the tough task of replacing a certain long-haired, space cadet left fielder.</p>
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		<title>By: Firpo Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Firpo Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Lukeheart, a GREAT NL Cy Young race this year, if only because three candidates appeal to their base in a way that can only be described as Palinesque.

Lincecum: A candidate for the new age sabretron voter. Was great from start to finish and had the most impressive combo of counting and quality stats. Could suffer from Santana pulling some of the sabretron vote after a really awesome August/September.

Webb: Appeals for obvious reasons to the deadbeat vote.

CC Sabathia: For anyone who treats the Cy like a MVP, BFP (but for pitchers). He had the greatest impact on the playoff race of any pitcher. And the three-day rest start (does this have it&#039;s own name yet?) is the kind of mythic September moment voters could rally around.

Awesome race, and I can&#039;t wait to read the blog post after they hand out the hardware!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Lukeheart, a GREAT NL Cy Young race this year, if only because three candidates appeal to their base in a way that can only be described as Palinesque.</p>
<p>Lincecum: A candidate for the new age sabretron voter. Was great from start to finish and had the most impressive combo of counting and quality stats. Could suffer from Santana pulling some of the sabretron vote after a really awesome August/September.</p>
<p>Webb: Appeals for obvious reasons to the deadbeat vote.</p>
<p>CC Sabathia: For anyone who treats the Cy like a MVP, BFP (but for pitchers). He had the greatest impact on the playoff race of any pitcher. And the three-day rest start (does this have it&#8217;s own name yet?) is the kind of mythic September moment voters could rally around.</p>
<p>Awesome race, and I can&#8217;t wait to read the blog post after they hand out the hardware!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedroia is kind of like a rick mans David Eckstein, wish my Jays would have got him instead of Eskstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedroia is kind of like a rick mans David Eckstein, wish my Jays would have got him instead of Eskstein</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve from Cleve,

I didn&#039;t say I was surprised that Doc was a strong second. Readers of this blog are typically more insightful than the BBWAA voters. I suppose I&#039;m just already anticipating the BBWAA being blinded by the gaudy saves stat and valuing 68 innings by the fifth- or sixth-best AL closer over almost 250 top-notch innings by a starter who&#039;s been underappreciated by the mainstream media all year, as far as I&#039;ve seen.

Regarding Sizemore, I admittedly didn&#039;t know those second-half numbers - his September tank job completely flew under my radar. A .250/.320/.375 line? Wow. I did know that Choo&#039;s been ridiculously good, particularly in September.

And I think Youkilis will be hurt in the BBWAA voting by the Pedroia-love going on all over. Both have been vital cogs in Boston making the playoffs, putting up huge numbers to make up for Manny leaving, Ortiz, Drew and Lowell being injured, Varitek and Lugo being terrible, but Pedroia&#039;s gotten the ink, at least in part because of the fact that he&#039;s short (virtually every article I&#039;ve come across touting his candidacy makes mention of his height or calls him a mighty mite or some other such nonsense).

With no ridiculously overwhelming candidate, I could this being a year where the votes could be split, with the voters unwilling to pick two Red Sox, opting to drop a Twin in between the two. Oddly, four of the most likely candidates to get much support - Mauer, Morneau, Youkilis and Pedroia - come from two teams, so it&#039;ll be interesting to see how the vote-splitting goes when the voters are faced with that conundrum. Likely, it&#039;ll come down to the little guy versus the RBI guy. I&#039;m actually starting to believe that some old-school BBWAA voters vote the way they do just to annoy the enlightened crowd.</description>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was surprised that Doc was a strong second. Readers of this blog are typically more insightful than the BBWAA voters. I suppose I&#8217;m just already anticipating the BBWAA being blinded by the gaudy saves stat and valuing 68 innings by the fifth- or sixth-best AL closer over almost 250 top-notch innings by a starter who&#8217;s been underappreciated by the mainstream media all year, as far as I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>Regarding Sizemore, I admittedly didn&#8217;t know those second-half numbers &#8211; his September tank job completely flew under my radar. A .250/.320/.375 line? Wow. I did know that Choo&#8217;s been ridiculously good, particularly in September.</p>
<p>And I think Youkilis will be hurt in the BBWAA voting by the Pedroia-love going on all over. Both have been vital cogs in Boston making the playoffs, putting up huge numbers to make up for Manny leaving, Ortiz, Drew and Lowell being injured, Varitek and Lugo being terrible, but Pedroia&#8217;s gotten the ink, at least in part because of the fact that he&#8217;s short (virtually every article I&#8217;ve come across touting his candidacy makes mention of his height or calls him a mighty mite or some other such nonsense).</p>
<p>With no ridiculously overwhelming candidate, I could this being a year where the votes could be split, with the voters unwilling to pick two Red Sox, opting to drop a Twin in between the two. Oddly, four of the most likely candidates to get much support &#8211; Mauer, Morneau, Youkilis and Pedroia &#8211; come from two teams, so it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how the vote-splitting goes when the voters are faced with that conundrum. Likely, it&#8217;ll come down to the little guy versus the RBI guy. I&#8217;m actually starting to believe that some old-school BBWAA voters vote the way they do just to annoy the enlightened crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorasaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorasaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I&#039;m glad that you mentioned Curtis Granderson again. Even as a Cubs fan, I will say that I love this 5-tool player who can make runners fear--you can tell right away when runners stay back instead of challenging him--who can make a catch of deep flyballs look so easy--who can now walk (see his walk rate on the rise this season?).

The best thing I love about this guy--he&#039;s always playing it full. Whoever his opponent called a LOOGY to face him, he&#039;ll walk to the dugout, get a good discussion of his scouting report, and come back to the plate looking ready. That&#039;s what players need to do. Be prepared. Think.

I like him. I hope there&#039;s more outfielders like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I&#8217;m glad that you mentioned Curtis Granderson again. Even as a Cubs fan, I will say that I love this 5-tool player who can make runners fear&#8211;you can tell right away when runners stay back instead of challenging him&#8211;who can make a catch of deep flyballs look so easy&#8211;who can now walk (see his walk rate on the rise this season?).</p>
<p>The best thing I love about this guy&#8211;he&#8217;s always playing it full. Whoever his opponent called a LOOGY to face him, he&#8217;ll walk to the dugout, get a good discussion of his scouting report, and come back to the plate looking ready. That&#8217;s what players need to do. Be prepared. Think.</p>
<p>I like him. I hope there&#8217;s more outfielders like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pujols being the clear cut favourite for MVP, sadly since he is not in the play offs and he does not lead the NL in any categories except SLG and OBP i am sure they will look to vote another way. Ryan Howard is most likely the person who will be chosen, chicks dig the long ball, yet he does not much deserve it in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pujols being the clear cut favourite for MVP, sadly since he is not in the play offs and he does not lead the NL in any categories except SLG and OBP i am sure they will look to vote another way. Ryan Howard is most likely the person who will be chosen, chicks dig the long ball, yet he does not much deserve it in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry Walker pretty tainted? In 1997 he hit .346 with 29 bombs and 62 RBI, 61 runs and 16 SB&#039;s away from Coors. Even with those numbers he could have played home games in Washington and still reached this list</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Walker pretty tainted? In 1997 he hit .346 with 29 bombs and 62 RBI, 61 runs and 16 SB&#8217;s away from Coors. Even with those numbers he could have played home games in Washington and still reached this list</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if you haven&#039;t adopted your EPL team yet, you may want to consider Manchester United. Dimitar Berbatov is the Carlos Beltran of the soccer world. And since you are forced to cover the Chiefs and Royals for your day job, you deserve a team with a chance to win championships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if you haven&#8217;t adopted your EPL team yet, you may want to consider Manchester United. Dimitar Berbatov is the Carlos Beltran of the soccer world. And since you are forced to cover the Chiefs and Royals for your day job, you deserve a team with a chance to win championships.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bagnall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bagnall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Cleveland&#039;s Municipal Stadium was called &quot;the mistake by the lake&quot;.  The way I heard it, it was the mistake ON the lake.  It supposedly was built on a landfill where Cleveland used to dump their garbage in Lake Erie.  It was a mistake because people thought it would sink.  I don&#039;t actually know that of course.  I was told that by a native Clevelander when I was passing through Cleveland at the age of 13 and I believe everything I was told in Cleveland when I was 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Cleveland&#8217;s Municipal Stadium was called &#8220;the mistake by the lake&#8221;.  The way I heard it, it was the mistake ON the lake.  It supposedly was built on a landfill where Cleveland used to dump their garbage in Lake Erie.  It was a mistake because people thought it would sink.  I don&#8217;t actually know that of course.  I was told that by a native Clevelander when I was passing through Cleveland at the age of 13 and I believe everything I was told in Cleveland when I was 13.</p>
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