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		<title>By: Jeff P</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/25/gimme-four-strikes-mister/#comment-33479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People always defend strikeouts by saying they avoid double plays but how many times has a batter struck out with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Seems to happen to the Royals an awful lot. I don&#039;t buy the theory that K&#039;s are ok because they are just an out mainly because thats assuming the batter will make an out if they didn&#039;t k. You know what else are just outs? Sac bunts and caught stealings but people seem to sure hate those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always defend strikeouts by saying they avoid double plays but how many times has a batter struck out with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Seems to happen to the Royals an awful lot. I don&#8217;t buy the theory that K&#8217;s are ok because they are just an out mainly because thats assuming the batter will make an out if they didn&#8217;t k. You know what else are just outs? Sac bunts and caught stealings but people seem to sure hate those.</p>
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		<title>By: scatterbrian</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/25/gimme-four-strikes-mister/#comment-33474</link>
		<dc:creator>scatterbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bellweather

there&#039;s a lot of stuff going on leading to more strikeouts:

five-man rotations allow starters to rest more throughout the season, which means a higher effort each time out....specialists in the bullpen, particularly high-strikeout closers....hitters sometimes seeing three or four different pitchers in one game [different arm angles and release points, arsenals, speeds, handedness] rather than seeing the same guy four or five times....the rise in the power game, as the best way to stop power is to miss bats...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bellweather</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a lot of stuff going on leading to more strikeouts:</p>
<p>five-man rotations allow starters to rest more throughout the season, which means a higher effort each time out&#8230;.specialists in the bullpen, particularly high-strikeout closers&#8230;.hitters sometimes seeing three or four different pitchers in one game [different arm angles and release points, arsenals, speeds, handedness] rather than seeing the same guy four or five times&#8230;.the rise in the power game, as the best way to stop power is to miss bats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/25/gimme-four-strikes-mister/#comment-33436</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why in the name of all that is hated dont you have the Detroit Red Wings on the list. Talk about evil empire. Not everyone cares about baseball and hating the Yankees. (even though I would have voted for them if there wasnt the other option)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why in the name of all that is hated dont you have the Detroit Red Wings on the list. Talk about evil empire. Not everyone cares about baseball and hating the Yankees. (even though I would have voted for them if there wasnt the other option)</p>
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		<title>By: MLB&#8217;s New King of the Whiff: Mark Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/25/gimme-four-strikes-mister/#comment-33356</link>
		<dc:creator>MLB&#8217;s New King of the Whiff: Mark Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reynolds is capable of being productive when he actually makes contact. As Joe Posnanski points out, his .385 AVG ranks 13th in all of baseball when putting the ball in play. So, the moral here would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reynolds is capable of being productive when he actually makes contact. As Joe Posnanski points out, his .385 AVG ranks 13th in all of baseball when putting the ball in play. So, the moral here would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BigFlax</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/25/gimme-four-strikes-mister/#comment-33347</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nightfly: While it&#039;s true that striking out is not considered such a stigma by the sabermetric community, it&#039;s still looked down upon by the &quot;mainstream&quot; baseball media.  Consider the way Adam Dunn tends to get knocked around even though he&#039;ll get you 40 homers and a .380+ OBP every year.

As for why a pitcher is often measured on Ks whereas hitters don&#039;t automatically stink if they strike out a lot, it&#039;s always better for a pitcher to get more Ks because it takes pressure off their defense and reduces the chance of an error or seeing-eye grounder.  While the reverse is true for batters, it&#039;s also true that if a batter doesn&#039;t make contact, he has no chance of, say, hitting into a double play.  If the bases are loaded with one out, it&#039;s better that you strike out than that you hit a grounder to second.  In the same situation, of course, a pitcher would take the strikeout pretty much every time, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nightfly: While it&#8217;s true that striking out is not considered such a stigma by the sabermetric community, it&#8217;s still looked down upon by the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; baseball media.  Consider the way Adam Dunn tends to get knocked around even though he&#8217;ll get you 40 homers and a .380+ OBP every year.</p>
<p>As for why a pitcher is often measured on Ks whereas hitters don&#8217;t automatically stink if they strike out a lot, it&#8217;s always better for a pitcher to get more Ks because it takes pressure off their defense and reduces the chance of an error or seeing-eye grounder.  While the reverse is true for batters, it&#8217;s also true that if a batter doesn&#8217;t make contact, he has no chance of, say, hitting into a double play.  If the bases are loaded with one out, it&#8217;s better that you strike out than that you hit a grounder to second.  In the same situation, of course, a pitcher would take the strikeout pretty much every time, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get the whole Apple Pie thing.  Forgive me if I do a little math here:

$700,000,000,000/301,139,947 (July 2007 est.) = 2324.50 (almost exactly).  I&#039;m with you so far.  

But here&#039;s where everything&#039;s screwed up.  Anyone with three little kids knows that Apple Pies are 2 for $1!  So assuming you were putting all that money into Apple Pies, and you couldn&#039;t get a volume discount * then each person in the US would actually get (using the numbers above) Exactly 4,649 pies.  And there&#039;d be a tenth of a penny or so left for each person, or about $386,397 left over.

*which I&#039;m pretty sure you could... wouldn&#039;t you like to be in on that conversation?  &quot;You want to haggle on 1.5 TRILLION Apple Pies?!?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the whole Apple Pie thing.  Forgive me if I do a little math here:</p>
<p>$700,000,000,000/301,139,947 (July 2007 est.) = 2324.50 (almost exactly).  I&#8217;m with you so far.  </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s where everything&#8217;s screwed up.  Anyone with three little kids knows that Apple Pies are 2 for $1!  So assuming you were putting all that money into Apple Pies, and you couldn&#8217;t get a volume discount * then each person in the US would actually get (using the numbers above) Exactly 4,649 pies.  And there&#8217;d be a tenth of a penny or so left for each person, or about $386,397 left over.</p>
<p>*which I&#8217;m pretty sure you could&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t you like to be in on that conversation?  &#8220;You want to haggle on 1.5 TRILLION Apple Pies?!?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bellweather Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellweather Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of what I&#039;m interested in is: how is it that dead-ballers don&#039;t have the significant K numbers that pitchers today have.

Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Cy Young, Rube Wadell, Three Finger Brown

All of these guys were dominant beyond belief in their day PLUS they threw the same ball all game; a scuffed up, blistered, tobacco-stained DEAD ball.

How come not as many K&#039;s??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of what I&#8217;m interested in is: how is it that dead-ballers don&#8217;t have the significant K numbers that pitchers today have.</p>
<p>Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Cy Young, Rube Wadell, Three Finger Brown</p>
<p>All of these guys were dominant beyond belief in their day PLUS they threw the same ball all game; a scuffed up, blistered, tobacco-stained DEAD ball.</p>
<p>How come not as many K&#8217;s??</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia football isn&#039;t on the list because it doesn&#039;t have enough haters, but I would have voted for them. Then *most* Boston Red Sox fans but I don&#039;t really hate the team. I went with nobody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia football isn&#8217;t on the list because it doesn&#8217;t have enough haters, but I would have voted for them. Then *most* Boston Red Sox fans but I don&#8217;t really hate the team. I went with nobody.</p>
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		<title>By: AlbaNate</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlbaNate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nightfly--I&#039;ve heard the theory about relief pitchers being responsible for there being so many more strikeouts now. I have my doubts about this, but here&#039;s some evidence to support this: If you look at the twenty pitchers who have the most strikeouts per nine innings,  half of them are still active! Here&#039;s the list

1. Randy Johnson  10.674 
2. Kerry Wood 10.386 
3. Pedro Martinez 10.081 
4. Nolan Ryan 9.548 
5. Sandy Koufax  9.278 
6. Johan Santana 9.258 
7. Jake Peavy  8.964 
8. Arthur Rhodes 8.891 
9. Sam McDowell  8.858 
10. Dan Plesac 8.740 
11. Hideo Nomo  8.734 
12. Lee Smith  8.732 
13. Curt Schilling  8.600 
14. Josh Beckett  8.563 
15. Roger Clemens  8.552 
16. Eric Plunk  8.453 
17. Sid Fernandez  8.404 
18. J.R. Richard  8.367 
19. A.J. Burnett  8.357 
20. David Cone  8.284 
 
Despite this, I think there&#039;s something else going on. I&#039;m not sure what it is but some possibilities include an increased emphasis on power, plate discipline not taught as much anymore, the rise in the percentage of night games, changes in the size of the strike zone, and so on.

Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightfly&#8211;I&#8217;ve heard the theory about relief pitchers being responsible for there being so many more strikeouts now. I have my doubts about this, but here&#8217;s some evidence to support this: If you look at the twenty pitchers who have the most strikeouts per nine innings,  half of them are still active! Here&#8217;s the list</p>
<p>1. Randy Johnson  10.674<br />
2. Kerry Wood 10.386<br />
3. Pedro Martinez 10.081<br />
4. Nolan Ryan 9.548<br />
5. Sandy Koufax  9.278<br />
6. Johan Santana 9.258<br />
7. Jake Peavy  8.964<br />
8. Arthur Rhodes 8.891<br />
9. Sam McDowell  8.858<br />
10. Dan Plesac 8.740<br />
11. Hideo Nomo  8.734<br />
12. Lee Smith  8.732<br />
13. Curt Schilling  8.600<br />
14. Josh Beckett  8.563<br />
15. Roger Clemens  8.552<br />
16. Eric Plunk  8.453<br />
17. Sid Fernandez  8.404<br />
18. J.R. Richard  8.367<br />
19. A.J. Burnett  8.357<br />
20. David Cone  8.284 </p>
<p>Despite this, I think there&#8217;s something else going on. I&#8217;m not sure what it is but some possibilities include an increased emphasis on power, plate discipline not taught as much anymore, the rise in the percentage of night games, changes in the size of the strike zone, and so on.</p>
<p>Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There problem with the Apple Pie explanation:

1) Most people don&#039;t have a graphs of 300,000,000 -- the number of people in the USA -- either. So, it just punts the issue.

2) I don&#039;t really have a grasp of what 2000 McD&#039;s apple pies would be, and I doubt that anyone else does, either? How big a pile of Apple Pies would that be? Give it to me in some unit and number that I can make sense of. Like, how many Apple Pies would fit in a new Ford Mustang? Or, how many Microsoft Zunes could you buy with that many McDonalds Apple Pies?

Oh, wait. This isn&#039;t about product placement? Well, then, it&#039;s just a dumb way to explain it.

As for the poll, why not do team that that mildly annoys me most. You know, like the the team you dispise 5th most. That wipes out the obvious biggies, and gets it down to a more universal level. Like the Braves. You can&#039;t really hate them, but aren&#039;t they annoying. And the Eagles. Heck, anything and anyone associated with Philadelpia, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There problem with the Apple Pie explanation:</p>
<p>1) Most people don&#8217;t have a graphs of 300,000,000 &#8212; the number of people in the USA &#8212; either. So, it just punts the issue.</p>
<p>2) I don&#8217;t really have a grasp of what 2000 McD&#8217;s apple pies would be, and I doubt that anyone else does, either? How big a pile of Apple Pies would that be? Give it to me in some unit and number that I can make sense of. Like, how many Apple Pies would fit in a new Ford Mustang? Or, how many Microsoft Zunes could you buy with that many McDonalds Apple Pies?</p>
<p>Oh, wait. This isn&#8217;t about product placement? Well, then, it&#8217;s just a dumb way to explain it.</p>
<p>As for the poll, why not do team that that mildly annoys me most. You know, like the the team you dispise 5th most. That wipes out the obvious biggies, and gets it down to a more universal level. Like the Braves. You can&#8217;t really hate them, but aren&#8217;t they annoying. And the Eagles. Heck, anything and anyone associated with Philadelpia, really.</p>
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