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		<title>By: BostonSteve</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/22/best-of-the-best/#comment-33744</link>
		<dc:creator>BostonSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I think a more appropriate question would be &quot;who would you want to start for the next 4 years to give you the best chance to win?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I think a more appropriate question would be &#8220;who would you want to start for the next 4 years to give you the best chance to win?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought of a good comparison on the elitism vs. common man.  Right now the US is kind of like the Kansas City Chiefs.  There are problems.  If the Presidential Candidates are represented by the quarterbacks on the team, Obama would be Croyle and McCain would be Huard.  Huard is a crafty veteran that everyone is sure would help the team win a few games, but offer little hope for the future.  Obama is Croyle, a high pedrigee (highly touted prospect/starting quarterback at Alabama) with a lot of talent but a track record of underachievement (other than being elected to office, show me a piece of meaningful legislation that he has passed).  While each has there advantages, who would you want to start on this Sunday to give you the best chance to win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought of a good comparison on the elitism vs. common man.  Right now the US is kind of like the Kansas City Chiefs.  There are problems.  If the Presidential Candidates are represented by the quarterbacks on the team, Obama would be Croyle and McCain would be Huard.  Huard is a crafty veteran that everyone is sure would help the team win a few games, but offer little hope for the future.  Obama is Croyle, a high pedrigee (highly touted prospect/starting quarterback at Alabama) with a lot of talent but a track record of underachievement (other than being elected to office, show me a piece of meaningful legislation that he has passed).  While each has there advantages, who would you want to start on this Sunday to give you the best chance to win?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elite and Elitism are two very different things.  One is actually being very talented and excellent at what you do.  The other is the opinion that your way of thinking is somehow superior to someone else&#039;s, whether or not it really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elite and Elitism are two very different things.  One is actually being very talented and excellent at what you do.  The other is the opinion that your way of thinking is somehow superior to someone else&#8217;s, whether or not it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McWilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interesting posts, but there is a real lack of historical knowledge in some of them. Most notably, the idea that back in some golden era, America has statesmen and only in the 20th century did we begin to have career politicians. Oh, really????? Like Martin Van Buren? Henry Clay? and, yes, Abraham Lincoln, who was a thoroughly political animal...as well as a statesman. In fact, Andrew Jackson came to power largely with the support of a new breed of &quot;professional politicians&quot;, like Van Buren, who created the Democratic party. The 20th century also produced some pretty great statesmen in the US (FDR most notably, but I would also say Eisenhower, and flawed as he was, Wilson). Some career politicians have been busts, but the greatly flawed LBJ accomplished more to bring about a more just country than perhaps anyone since FDR, and he did that because of his understanding of politics. In any event, be very careful about people harkening back to the &quot;good old days&quot;--in sports as well as government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting posts, but there is a real lack of historical knowledge in some of them. Most notably, the idea that back in some golden era, America has statesmen and only in the 20th century did we begin to have career politicians. Oh, really????? Like Martin Van Buren? Henry Clay? and, yes, Abraham Lincoln, who was a thoroughly political animal&#8230;as well as a statesman. In fact, Andrew Jackson came to power largely with the support of a new breed of &#8220;professional politicians&#8221;, like Van Buren, who created the Democratic party. The 20th century also produced some pretty great statesmen in the US (FDR most notably, but I would also say Eisenhower, and flawed as he was, Wilson). Some career politicians have been busts, but the greatly flawed LBJ accomplished more to bring about a more just country than perhaps anyone since FDR, and he did that because of his understanding of politics. In any event, be very careful about people harkening back to the &#8220;good old days&#8221;&#8211;in sports as well as government.</p>
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		<title>By: Catfeeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catfeeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument about &quot;elitism&quot; is really not about talent or ability, but about the attitude the person appears to have.  Beltran in KC was knocked for not trying hard enough, but the fact of the matter is that he didn&#039;t have to try hard to chase down most of the balls hit to center field because he is so fast.  But it just LOOKED like he didn&#039;t care, even though he cared very much (One of my favorite baseball moments was seeing Beltran field a one-hopper in shallow center against Texas, in Arlington, and throw a strike to the catcher to prevent a guy from scoring from second.  Beltran was on a dead run to field the ball, and when he threw it to home his momentum caused him to somersault.  Beauty.)  Barry Bonds is, of course, the best example because he looks like he doesn&#039;t care and we talks about playing he also sounds like he doesn&#039;t care.  

With Palin, and really what you are getting at is Obama, the argument is not about talent, but about caring.  Palin appears to care more about others while Obama appears to care more about himself, or at least about his ideology, than he actually cares about people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument about &#8220;elitism&#8221; is really not about talent or ability, but about the attitude the person appears to have.  Beltran in KC was knocked for not trying hard enough, but the fact of the matter is that he didn&#8217;t have to try hard to chase down most of the balls hit to center field because he is so fast.  But it just LOOKED like he didn&#8217;t care, even though he cared very much (One of my favorite baseball moments was seeing Beltran field a one-hopper in shallow center against Texas, in Arlington, and throw a strike to the catcher to prevent a guy from scoring from second.  Beltran was on a dead run to field the ball, and when he threw it to home his momentum caused him to somersault.  Beauty.)  Barry Bonds is, of course, the best example because he looks like he doesn&#8217;t care and we talks about playing he also sounds like he doesn&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>With Palin, and really what you are getting at is Obama, the argument is not about talent, but about caring.  Palin appears to care more about others while Obama appears to care more about himself, or at least about his ideology, than he actually cares about people.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you brought this up Joe.  I&#039;m a long time reader first time poster, but after reading this I had to share an experience I had on Sunday at the last Yankee home game.

I hate that yankee &quot;fans&quot; boo Arod, because I know they didn&#039;t boo him last year when he carried the team into the playoffs.  I hate how they state how he&#039;s unclutch, when his career playoff numbers are better than 95% of the team, despite the fact that he had 2 really terrible years.  Also they choose to ignore how he carried the team past Minnesota back in the 2004 postseason.  

So its safe to say I hate people that boo A-Rod.  So there I am enjoying the last home game, and this group of older men are sitting behind me booing him and making remarks about how low his RBI total is.  So I turn around and tell them how RBI&#039;s are meaningless, even though he has over 100 and missed 3 weeks of the season.  They respond with how that doesn&#039;t matter, he&#039;s still unclutch.  Then they ask me who I rather have, Brosius or A-Rod.

Obviously I answer A-Rod and they laugh and remark how they&#039;d take brosius because he delivers when needed.  Needless to say at this point my ears started to bleed.  #1, Brosius retired 7 years ago, he isn&#039;t coming back.  And even if he did, to take him over Arod is ridiculous.  Arods won 2 MVP&#039;s, and should be in the Top 5 this year in an &quot;off&quot; year.  Brosius was a nice player for NY, played great defense and had an amazing 1998.  However he was a below average player in 99 and 2000, and was just barely average in 2001.  

Needless to say I wanted to punch these guys for wasting 10 minutes of a night I&#039;ll never get back.  I&#039;m a Yankee fan and I hate most Yankee fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you brought this up Joe.  I&#8217;m a long time reader first time poster, but after reading this I had to share an experience I had on Sunday at the last Yankee home game.</p>
<p>I hate that yankee &#8220;fans&#8221; boo Arod, because I know they didn&#8217;t boo him last year when he carried the team into the playoffs.  I hate how they state how he&#8217;s unclutch, when his career playoff numbers are better than 95% of the team, despite the fact that he had 2 really terrible years.  Also they choose to ignore how he carried the team past Minnesota back in the 2004 postseason.  </p>
<p>So its safe to say I hate people that boo A-Rod.  So there I am enjoying the last home game, and this group of older men are sitting behind me booing him and making remarks about how low his RBI total is.  So I turn around and tell them how RBI&#8217;s are meaningless, even though he has over 100 and missed 3 weeks of the season.  They respond with how that doesn&#8217;t matter, he&#8217;s still unclutch.  Then they ask me who I rather have, Brosius or A-Rod.</p>
<p>Obviously I answer A-Rod and they laugh and remark how they&#8217;d take brosius because he delivers when needed.  Needless to say at this point my ears started to bleed.  #1, Brosius retired 7 years ago, he isn&#8217;t coming back.  And even if he did, to take him over Arod is ridiculous.  Arods won 2 MVP&#8217;s, and should be in the Top 5 this year in an &#8220;off&#8221; year.  Brosius was a nice player for NY, played great defense and had an amazing 1998.  However he was a below average player in 99 and 2000, and was just barely average in 2001.  </p>
<p>Needless to say I wanted to punch these guys for wasting 10 minutes of a night I&#8217;ll never get back.  I&#8217;m a Yankee fan and I hate most Yankee fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCS is Crazy. 
It is absolute lunacy to even put Eckstein and Erstad in the same sentence. How many Gold Gloves does Eckstein have? ZERO. How many does Erstad have? 3! He also won the Golden Spikes award for the best college player of the year. In the 2000 season, Erstad led the American League in hits (240), singles (170) and at-bats (676); was second in total bases (366), third in runs (121), and hit .355, finishing second in the batting race behind Nomar Garciaparra (.372). 
Erstad is a man that is both Elite and works hard (just s little unlucky with injuries). Being elite AND looking like you&#039;re trying? Perhaps the rarest of the breed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCS is Crazy.<br />
It is absolute lunacy to even put Eckstein and Erstad in the same sentence. How many Gold Gloves does Eckstein have? ZERO. How many does Erstad have? 3! He also won the Golden Spikes award for the best college player of the year. In the 2000 season, Erstad led the American League in hits (240), singles (170) and at-bats (676); was second in total bases (366), third in runs (121), and hit .355, finishing second in the batting race behind Nomar Garciaparra (.372).<br />
Erstad is a man that is both Elite and works hard (just s little unlucky with injuries). Being elite AND looking like you&#8217;re trying? Perhaps the rarest of the breed.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffSol</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffSol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justyo,

Not wanting to get into a discussion of whether some of the repulican administrations may or may not have been &quot;successful&quot;, obviosuly I ama aware that other than Jimmy Carter Clinton is the only Democratic president during the last 40 years.  I gues what I was trying ot say, and obviously didn&#039;t communicate effectively, is that if they have had so much trouble even getting elected to the White House, and Clinton was the one who was able to accomplish that, wouldn&#039;t you think they would want to find the next Bill Clinton politically, and not run screaming from his legacy to the extremes of their party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justyo,</p>
<p>Not wanting to get into a discussion of whether some of the repulican administrations may or may not have been &#8220;successful&#8221;, obviosuly I ama aware that other than Jimmy Carter Clinton is the only Democratic president during the last 40 years.  I gues what I was trying ot say, and obviously didn&#8217;t communicate effectively, is that if they have had so much trouble even getting elected to the White House, and Clinton was the one who was able to accomplish that, wouldn&#8217;t you think they would want to find the next Bill Clinton politically, and not run screaming from his legacy to the extremes of their party?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Joe&#039;s point when it comes to sports is spot on.  Here in Boston, a barely mediocre Trot Nixon was idolized because he was deemed &quot;gritty&quot; and often had got his uniform dirty (mostly because he was so out-of-shape he had to dive for balls other players would have caught in stride).  At the same time, his far superior teammates like Manny, or his superior replacement J.D. Drew, were ripped to shreds.

However, it&#039;s not analogous to the political environment.  Baseball success comes from fielding the best players.  Political success comes from fielding the best leaders.  It is easy to objectively identify the best baseball players.  It is virtually impossible to identify the best leaders using any objective measure.  Education, for example, would put GWB and Obama at pretty much the same level.

Webster&#039;s uses the term &quot;snobbery&quot; in its definition of elitist.  In the political vernacular today, I think that is the exact definition that is being referenced.  Fairly or unfairly, Bush has rarely been referred to as an elitist - while Obama often is - despite the fact that they have roughly equal educations and Bush came from a far more privileged background.  The reason for this is because Bush rarely comes across as a condescending snob, while it is the very essence of Obama.

Putting it back into the sports context, the  point can best be analogized to choosing a team captain (i.e. leader).  Drew may be a superior (more elite) player than Pedroia, but I&#039;d venture to say that there&#039;s not a player on that team that believes he&#039;s a better leader, or would vote for him over Pedroia as captain.  And that&#039;s because he has an elitist attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Joe&#8217;s point when it comes to sports is spot on.  Here in Boston, a barely mediocre Trot Nixon was idolized because he was deemed &#8220;gritty&#8221; and often had got his uniform dirty (mostly because he was so out-of-shape he had to dive for balls other players would have caught in stride).  At the same time, his far superior teammates like Manny, or his superior replacement J.D. Drew, were ripped to shreds.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not analogous to the political environment.  Baseball success comes from fielding the best players.  Political success comes from fielding the best leaders.  It is easy to objectively identify the best baseball players.  It is virtually impossible to identify the best leaders using any objective measure.  Education, for example, would put GWB and Obama at pretty much the same level.</p>
<p>Webster&#8217;s uses the term &#8220;snobbery&#8221; in its definition of elitist.  In the political vernacular today, I think that is the exact definition that is being referenced.  Fairly or unfairly, Bush has rarely been referred to as an elitist &#8211; while Obama often is &#8211; despite the fact that they have roughly equal educations and Bush came from a far more privileged background.  The reason for this is because Bush rarely comes across as a condescending snob, while it is the very essence of Obama.</p>
<p>Putting it back into the sports context, the  point can best be analogized to choosing a team captain (i.e. leader).  Drew may be a superior (more elite) player than Pedroia, but I&#8217;d venture to say that there&#8217;s not a player on that team that believes he&#8217;s a better leader, or would vote for him over Pedroia as captain.  And that&#8217;s because he has an elitist attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Justyo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jefsol--

Of course you&#039;re aware that Nixon won in 1968. So in 40 years, other than 4 years of Jimmy Carter - Clinton is the ONLY Democratic President.

Maybe that&#039;s the problem. I think you&#039;re first statement was the correct one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefsol&#8211;</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re aware that Nixon won in 1968. So in 40 years, other than 4 years of Jimmy Carter &#8211; Clinton is the ONLY Democratic President.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the problem. I think you&#8217;re first statement was the correct one.</p>
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