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	<title>Comments on: The Brief Wondrous Life of Angel Berroa</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30907</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve from Cleve:
I wasn&#039;t touting Johnny Mac as anything other than a defensive replacement-type. I pointed out in my comment that he&#039;s unplayable because of his poor offense, and I should have been more specific that I was talking defense-only in my remarks.

According to the Fielding Bible, however, the system shows that both he and Eck are right around league average, fielding-wise. That just seems impossibly wrong to me (and to pretty much anyone who&#039;s watched the two play much at all).

I do think that Eckstein has some value, but he&#039;s still seen in some circles as the glue that won a couple of teams World Series rings.

And Brent: Cobb never winning a ring should be yet another (huge) arrow in the common-sense quiver, to be used against anyone who points out that Jeter, Eck or any other player of their ilk is a &quot;winner&quot; because they were on teams that won it all. Individual players contribute to those teams, and obviously some contribute much more than others, but the ongoing insinuation that some players win the whole shebang on their own is patently false (as most of this blog&#039;s readers, yourself included, obviously know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve from Cleve:<br />
I wasn&#8217;t touting Johnny Mac as anything other than a defensive replacement-type. I pointed out in my comment that he&#8217;s unplayable because of his poor offense, and I should have been more specific that I was talking defense-only in my remarks.</p>
<p>According to the Fielding Bible, however, the system shows that both he and Eck are right around league average, fielding-wise. That just seems impossibly wrong to me (and to pretty much anyone who&#8217;s watched the two play much at all).</p>
<p>I do think that Eckstein has some value, but he&#8217;s still seen in some circles as the glue that won a couple of teams World Series rings.</p>
<p>And Brent: Cobb never winning a ring should be yet another (huge) arrow in the common-sense quiver, to be used against anyone who points out that Jeter, Eck or any other player of their ilk is a &#8220;winner&#8221; because they were on teams that won it all. Individual players contribute to those teams, and obviously some contribute much more than others, but the ongoing insinuation that some players win the whole shebang on their own is patently false (as most of this blog&#8217;s readers, yourself included, obviously know).</p>
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		<title>By: The Brief Wondrous Life of Angel Berroa &#124; Baltimore Meetup</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30783</link>
		<dc:creator>The Brief Wondrous Life of Angel Berroa &#124; Baltimore Meetup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More: The Brief Wondrous Life of Angel Berroa [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KCJoe</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30726</link>
		<dc:creator>KCJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that anyone is still reading these comments but THE answer to the riddle is:

A full head of gray hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that anyone is still reading these comments but THE answer to the riddle is:</p>
<p>A full head of gray hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevo</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30717</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the answer to the riddle was &quot;a job&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the answer to the riddle was &#8220;a job&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Oddibe Kerfeld</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30711</link>
		<dc:creator>Oddibe Kerfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to hear that Angel Berroa died. I think he and Andujar Cedeno (another deceased ballplayer) had a lot in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that Angel Berroa died. I think he and Andujar Cedeno (another deceased ballplayer) had a lot in common.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bagnall</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30646</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bagnall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to Andres Blanco?  And &quot;The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to Andres Blanco?  And &#8220;The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30594</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - as a former Browns and now Chiefs fan - I stopped drinking Coors the minute I saw their first commercial with John Elway!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; as a former Browns and now Chiefs fan &#8211; I stopped drinking Coors the minute I saw their first commercial with John Elway!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from Cleve</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30574</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve from Cleve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin: I&#039;m positive that McDonald is a much better defender than Eck. However...

Eck&#039;s 2008 OBP (in Toronto): .354, above average for a shortstop

Johnny Mac&#039;s 2008 OBP: .260, below average for any position (except possibly NL pitchers)

That&#039;s why 2008 David Eckstein is a league average shortstop while 2008 Johnny Mac isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin: I&#8217;m positive that McDonald is a much better defender than Eck. However&#8230;</p>
<p>Eck&#8217;s 2008 OBP (in Toronto): .354, above average for a shortstop</p>
<p>Johnny Mac&#8217;s 2008 OBP: .260, below average for any position (except possibly NL pitchers)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why 2008 David Eckstein is a league average shortstop while 2008 Johnny Mac isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: jwb</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30556</link>
		<dc:creator>jwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bellweather Johnson, Here ya go:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200307050.shtml

I looked up 2003 gamelogs for Brent Mayne and found the home game in July where he played a partial game. He replaced DiFelice in the middle of an inning. I would have guessed injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bellweather Johnson, Here ya go:<br />
<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200307050.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200307050.shtml</a></p>
<p>I looked up 2003 gamelogs for Brent Mayne and found the home game in July where he played a partial game. He replaced DiFelice in the middle of an inning. I would have guessed injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/07/the-brief-wondrous-life-of-angel-berroa/#comment-30551</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin:

Ty Cobb has my vote for the best player ever to not win a ring.  People forget that about him, since our vision of him is the guy who couldn&#039;t stand to lose, yet he not only didn&#039;t win a ring, he played pretty poorly in the 3 WS he was in.

And I wouldn&#039;t say the 06 Cards were lucky as much as they got hot and played like the 2004 and 2005 Cards at the right time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin:</p>
<p>Ty Cobb has my vote for the best player ever to not win a ring.  People forget that about him, since our vision of him is the guy who couldn&#8217;t stand to lose, yet he not only didn&#8217;t win a ring, he played pretty poorly in the 3 WS he was in.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t say the 06 Cards were lucky as much as they got hot and played like the 2004 and 2005 Cards at the right time.</p>
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