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		<title>By: Recent Faves Tagged With "sabermetrics" : MyNetFaves</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-48956</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Faves Tagged With "sabermetrics" : MyNetFaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Art Vandeley</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26687</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Vandeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, 

Maybe you can share experiences with Luther Campbell and 2 Live Crew about being banned.  Censorship turned out to be very lucrative for those guys.  

AV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, </p>
<p>Maybe you can share experiences with Luther Campbell and 2 Live Crew about being banned.  Censorship turned out to be very lucrative for those guys.  </p>
<p>AV</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26586</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to think that I&#039;m Joe&#039;s biggest fan actually living in China, and if I may I&#039;ll shed some light onto the situation.

Even for a country with a massive labor force like China, it would simply be impossible for the Chinese censors to ban blogs individually. Certain sites, such as those pertaining to Tibetan Independence, the Falun Gong religious movement, or Wikipedia (usually) are singled out but for the most part the government will just do a blanket ban of all Blogspot or Typepad powered blogs. Why Joe&#039;s is banned I have no idea, but I believe FJM is run on Blogspot so that&#039;s why it isn&#039;t permitted here. That, or members of the Chinese Communist Party secretly believe that certain pitchers &quot;just know how to win&quot;.

Luckily for us, there are proxy servers that allow us to see prohibited websites undetected, though it does slow loading speeds down considerably.  So don&#039;t worry, Joe, no one in the Chinese government has an axe to grind with you! 

Enjoy yourself in Beijing, Joe, and thank you Margo for keeping this wonderful blog up and running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to think that I&#8217;m Joe&#8217;s biggest fan actually living in China, and if I may I&#8217;ll shed some light onto the situation.</p>
<p>Even for a country with a massive labor force like China, it would simply be impossible for the Chinese censors to ban blogs individually. Certain sites, such as those pertaining to Tibetan Independence, the Falun Gong religious movement, or Wikipedia (usually) are singled out but for the most part the government will just do a blanket ban of all Blogspot or Typepad powered blogs. Why Joe&#8217;s is banned I have no idea, but I believe FJM is run on Blogspot so that&#8217;s why it isn&#8217;t permitted here. That, or members of the Chinese Communist Party secretly believe that certain pitchers &#8220;just know how to win&#8221;.</p>
<p>Luckily for us, there are proxy servers that allow us to see prohibited websites undetected, though it does slow loading speeds down considerably.  So don&#8217;t worry, Joe, no one in the Chinese government has an axe to grind with you! </p>
<p>Enjoy yourself in Beijing, Joe, and thank you Margo for keeping this wonderful blog up and running.</p>
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		<title>By: WTSherman</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26390</link>
		<dc:creator>WTSherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bellweather,

Good analogy. The difference IMHO is that Bob was smarter, set out purposely to craft Dylan from Zimmerman, and seemed to enjoy the repartee with the &quot;square&quot;/&quot;philistine&quot; press at least early on.  Cobain bought into a kind of commercial-noncommercial paradigm whereas I think Bob&#039;s view was a bit more, let&#039;s say, transcendent.  I think Cobain was a bit more unstable, fatalistic by constitution....

I agree that the fame took a toll on the guy and that he was done with the spotlight by hook or by crook after Blonde on Blonde.  But you could compare him to others besides Cobain and anyone else that huge that has to go a little bonkers some time, like that Seal song. Brando, Elvis, Lennon, Elton John, Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson, etc. he fared okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bellweather,</p>
<p>Good analogy. The difference IMHO is that Bob was smarter, set out purposely to craft Dylan from Zimmerman, and seemed to enjoy the repartee with the &#8220;square&#8221;/&#8221;philistine&#8221; press at least early on.  Cobain bought into a kind of commercial-noncommercial paradigm whereas I think Bob&#8217;s view was a bit more, let&#8217;s say, transcendent.  I think Cobain was a bit more unstable, fatalistic by constitution&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree that the fame took a toll on the guy and that he was done with the spotlight by hook or by crook after Blonde on Blonde.  But you could compare him to others besides Cobain and anyone else that huge that has to go a little bonkers some time, like that Seal song. Brando, Elvis, Lennon, Elton John, Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson, etc. he fared okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellweather Johnson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26357</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellweather Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pressser in the Dylan bio was great.  

I also like the hippie asking him about the significance of his motorcycle shirt on the &quot;Highway 61&quot; album cover.  From what I recall, the hippie launched into his rendition of the symbolic nature of bi-cycled vehicles and the duality of their nature in regard to youth culture or some such thing while Dylan, dumbfoundedly, could only respond by laughing and saying something like, &quot;Um, yeah.  Motorcycles are nice, I guess.&quot;

I think the thing that I got out of Scorcese&#039;s bio that I didn&#039;t get out of Pennebaker&#039;s is just how much of a toll the fame took on Dylan.  You could see by the end of the film that he was really cracking up.  What it really reminded me of is the arc of Kurt Cobain.  They are very remarkably similar.  Both were seen as the voice of a new, uprising, self-important youth culture.  They had their music over-analyzed, their words popularly over-emphasized.  And neither could really understand what the hub-ub was all about.  It seems to me that if Dylan didn&#039;t wreck his motorcycle, we could have lost him in the same way we lost Cobain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pressser in the Dylan bio was great.  </p>
<p>I also like the hippie asking him about the significance of his motorcycle shirt on the &#8220;Highway 61&#8243; album cover.  From what I recall, the hippie launched into his rendition of the symbolic nature of bi-cycled vehicles and the duality of their nature in regard to youth culture or some such thing while Dylan, dumbfoundedly, could only respond by laughing and saying something like, &#8220;Um, yeah.  Motorcycles are nice, I guess.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the thing that I got out of Scorcese&#8217;s bio that I didn&#8217;t get out of Pennebaker&#8217;s is just how much of a toll the fame took on Dylan.  You could see by the end of the film that he was really cracking up.  What it really reminded me of is the arc of Kurt Cobain.  They are very remarkably similar.  Both were seen as the voice of a new, uprising, self-important youth culture.  They had their music over-analyzed, their words popularly over-emphasized.  And neither could really understand what the hub-ub was all about.  It seems to me that if Dylan didn&#8217;t wreck his motorcycle, we could have lost him in the same way we lost Cobain.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26278</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>totinos pizzas are amazing on a drunken night at 2am. you guys are crazy!</description>
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		<title>By: mcgatman</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26273</link>
		<dc:creator>mcgatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe,

As a longtime reader of both blogs who rarely comments, I just wanted to add my own two cents in precisely when you won&#039;t be able to read it.  But I just couldn&#039;t keep silent - it&#039;s too important.  What&#039;s too important,  you ask? (Oh that&#039;s right,  you can&#039;t read the comments) Totino&#039;s Pizza Rolls..  I got them the other day for my kids because they&#039;re on sale and the kids love them...I know, I&#039;m going to hell...and there are a few left over and I pop one in my mouth and .... holy schmazzoly, they are DELICIOUS!  How is that possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe,</p>
<p>As a longtime reader of both blogs who rarely comments, I just wanted to add my own two cents in precisely when you won&#8217;t be able to read it.  But I just couldn&#8217;t keep silent &#8211; it&#8217;s too important.  What&#8217;s too important,  you ask? (Oh that&#8217;s right,  you can&#8217;t read the comments) Totino&#8217;s Pizza Rolls..  I got them the other day for my kids because they&#8217;re on sale and the kids love them&#8230;I know, I&#8217;m going to hell&#8230;and there are a few left over and I pop one in my mouth and &#8230;. holy schmazzoly, they are DELICIOUS!  How is that possible?</p>
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		<title>By: WTSherman</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26270</link>
		<dc:creator>WTSherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last Waltz was good, somewhat ponderous, and given the lineup and moment, pretty hard to screw up, I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Waltz was good, somewhat ponderous, and given the lineup and moment, pretty hard to screw up, I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: WTSherman</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26269</link>
		<dc:creator>WTSherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dylan doc is certainly cool, especially to a newbie/passing fan.  I remember watching it over two or three nights on tv when it came out and thinking Scorsese didn&#039;t really bring that much to the table though.  If you saw the Pennebaker thing and already knew the basic ark of his career/work, I&#039;m thinking you have to be a little disappointed, like Scorsese just shallowly throwing himself at an iconic topic (ie Shine a Light, which I didn&#039;t see but am guessing it was less than revelatory).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dylan doc is certainly cool, especially to a newbie/passing fan.  I remember watching it over two or three nights on tv when it came out and thinking Scorsese didn&#8217;t really bring that much to the table though.  If you saw the Pennebaker thing and already knew the basic ark of his career/work, I&#8217;m thinking you have to be a little disappointed, like Scorsese just shallowly throwing himself at an iconic topic (ie Shine a Light, which I didn&#8217;t see but am guessing it was less than revelatory).</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/08/05/banned/#comment-26261</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess they didn&#039;t much like your disparaging words about Tang, since that dynasty ruled China for almost 3 centuries and was considered a high point in Chinese history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they didn&#8217;t much like your disparaging words about Tang, since that dynasty ruled China for almost 3 centuries and was considered a high point in Chinese history.</p>
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