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		<title>By: Bird Land &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clip Job: Must sees, Waino&#8217;s role &#38; must reads</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-27841</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird Land &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clip Job: Must sees, Waino&#8217;s role &#38; must reads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A new stat named for a former Cardinal, a &#8220;Gruds&#8221;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wookster</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-25989</link>
		<dc:creator>Wookster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Giants fan, the Grud I remember most was against my favorite player:  Eric Karros OWNED (.429/.429/.762) Robb Nen.  He could strike out anyone, but whenever Karros came up, I was always praying for a walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Giants fan, the Grud I remember most was against my favorite player:  Eric Karros OWNED (.429/.429/.762) Robb Nen.  He could strike out anyone, but whenever Karros came up, I was always praying for a walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Shonepup</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-25093</link>
		<dc:creator>Shonepup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duane Kuiper got drafted 6 times as well, and while Mark Hendrickson getting drafted 6 times is incredible, they were usually late round picks (from 13th to 32nd round).  Look where Kuiper was getting drafted, from 1968 - 1972, in order.

12th Round
9th Round
1st Round
3rd Round
4th Round
1st Round

That is incredible.  The scouts really loved him.  I&#039;d love to see Joe do an entry on the story behind that.

And I love him now...Kruk and Kuip, the best announcing tandem in the bigs, bar none!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane Kuiper got drafted 6 times as well, and while Mark Hendrickson getting drafted 6 times is incredible, they were usually late round picks (from 13th to 32nd round).  Look where Kuiper was getting drafted, from 1968 &#8211; 1972, in order.</p>
<p>12th Round<br />
9th Round<br />
1st Round<br />
3rd Round<br />
4th Round<br />
1st Round</p>
<p>That is incredible.  The scouts really loved him.  I&#8217;d love to see Joe do an entry on the story behind that.</p>
<p>And I love him now&#8230;Kruk and Kuip, the best announcing tandem in the bigs, bar none!</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-25081</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta get this one out of my system. Maybe someone won the Hamilton-Volquez trade, but I refues to say anyone lost it. Maybe Texas won more, but do you think either side would undo it if given the chance? Maybe it&#039;s just a word choice thing. A winner implies a loser. Can we say &quot;Who is even happier than the other guy that they made that trade?&quot;

One more example: The Astros lost the Randy Wolf trade. I don&#039;t know if the Pads won it or not, but the &#039;Stros lost that even if the guy they traded swears off baseball and becomes a poet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta get this one out of my system. Maybe someone won the Hamilton-Volquez trade, but I refues to say anyone lost it. Maybe Texas won more, but do you think either side would undo it if given the chance? Maybe it&#8217;s just a word choice thing. A winner implies a loser. Can we say &#8220;Who is even happier than the other guy that they made that trade?&#8221;</p>
<p>One more example: The Astros lost the Randy Wolf trade. I don&#8217;t know if the Pads won it or not, but the &#8216;Stros lost that even if the guy they traded swears off baseball and becomes a poet.</p>
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		<title>By: ethegolfman</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-25006</link>
		<dc:creator>ethegolfman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, we have a serious Gruds in the making. I&#039;m watching the DBacks/Giants and Conor Jackson has a double and a homer in the 1st 3 innings against Jonathan Sanchez to make his career line against Sanchez: 9-11,1 2B, 2 HR, 2 BB and 1 HBP for a 818/857/1455 line or a 2312 OPS. . . .

OK maybe Sanchez isn&#039;t good enough to have a Gruds but that is serious ownership</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, we have a serious Gruds in the making. I&#8217;m watching the DBacks/Giants and Conor Jackson has a double and a homer in the 1st 3 innings against Jonathan Sanchez to make his career line against Sanchez: 9-11,1 2B, 2 HR, 2 BB and 1 HBP for a 818/857/1455 line or a 2312 OPS. . . .</p>
<p>OK maybe Sanchez isn&#8217;t good enough to have a Gruds but that is serious ownership</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-24937</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite pitcher to do this with is Quiz.  All of his Grudz are LH and mostly low ball hitters.  Ben Oglivie is the one I remember, but I think that could just be because he hit a mammoth HR off Quiz in his first AB ever against him to win a ballgame at County Stadium in 1979.  But the batters with 15 Plate Appearances against Quiz whose lifetime OPS is over 1.000 is a Who&#039;s Who List of LH batters in the AL in the 1980s.

Whitaker:  32 PA, .429/.469/.643; Eddie Murray, 27 PA, .364/.444/.591 (1 HR); Lloyd Moseby, 26 PA .458/.500/.500; Kent Hrbek, 22 PA, ..632/.636/1.105 (2HR); Cecil Cooper, 21 PA, .500/.524/.800 (2 HR); Upshaw, 20 PA, .500/.500/.600; Oglive 18 PA, .400/.500/.800 (2HR); Pat Putnam, 17 PA, .500/.528/.938 (1HR);</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite pitcher to do this with is Quiz.  All of his Grudz are LH and mostly low ball hitters.  Ben Oglivie is the one I remember, but I think that could just be because he hit a mammoth HR off Quiz in his first AB ever against him to win a ballgame at County Stadium in 1979.  But the batters with 15 Plate Appearances against Quiz whose lifetime OPS is over 1.000 is a Who&#8217;s Who List of LH batters in the AL in the 1980s.</p>
<p>Whitaker:  32 PA, .429/.469/.643; Eddie Murray, 27 PA, .364/.444/.591 (1 HR); Lloyd Moseby, 26 PA .458/.500/.500; Kent Hrbek, 22 PA, ..632/.636/1.105 (2HR); Cecil Cooper, 21 PA, .500/.524/.800 (2 HR); Upshaw, 20 PA, .500/.500/.600; Oglive 18 PA, .400/.500/.800 (2HR); Pat Putnam, 17 PA, .500/.528/.938 (1HR);</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Links! &#171; First Time Caller, Long Time Listener</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-24911</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Links! &#171; First Time Caller, Long Time Listener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seriously, Joe Posnanski is the best. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Butch</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-24899</link>
		<dc:creator>Butch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Ellis Burks, who probably could have been a Hall of Famer with better health. (Couldn&#039;t the same be said of Mattingly?)

But don&#039;t forget Burks played an awful lot of games at Coors Field, including his one truly monster season in 1996.

Career home: .304/.375/.542
Career away: .279/.352/.480</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Ellis Burks, who probably could have been a Hall of Famer with better health. (Couldn&#8217;t the same be said of Mattingly?)</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t forget Burks played an awful lot of games at Coors Field, including his one truly monster season in 1996.</p>
<p>Career home: .304/.375/.542<br />
Career away: .279/.352/.480</p>
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		<title>By: BIP</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/23/gruds/#comment-24867</link>
		<dc:creator>BIP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damon,

It&#039;s almost certainly all small sample size. But the problem isn&#039;t just the small sample size, it&#039;s the fact that the data is acquired after the fact. Pitchers face hundreds of different batters over their careers, so just by random variation alone, it&#039;s guaranteed that some guy will have hit .500 against them over a small number of plate appearances. If you could predict who the Gruds would be BEFORE their plate appearances happened, that&#039;d be quite impressive, but good luck with that.

I&#039;m not trying to be negative, though... it&#039;s a great article as always, Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damon,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost certainly all small sample size. But the problem isn&#8217;t just the small sample size, it&#8217;s the fact that the data is acquired after the fact. Pitchers face hundreds of different batters over their careers, so just by random variation alone, it&#8217;s guaranteed that some guy will have hit .500 against them over a small number of plate appearances. If you could predict who the Gruds would be BEFORE their plate appearances happened, that&#8217;d be quite impressive, but good luck with that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be negative, though&#8230; it&#8217;s a great article as always, Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: EdB</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this topic.... I recall that Tom Hutton used to club Tom Seaver.  Always got up in a tough situation, and it felt like he always doubled into the gap.  Though, a lot of guys did that to the Mets when I was a kid.

I like the idea of team-killers too.  You could fill a nice roster with guys who owned the Mets (Stargell, Chipper Jones would both be captains).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this topic&#8230;. I recall that Tom Hutton used to club Tom Seaver.  Always got up in a tough situation, and it felt like he always doubled into the gap.  Though, a lot of guys did that to the Mets when I was a kid.</p>
<p>I like the idea of team-killers too.  You could fill a nice roster with guys who owned the Mets (Stargell, Chipper Jones would both be captains).</p>
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