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		<title>By: Richard Aronson</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/15/lajong-wins-derby-hobbs-wins-hearts/#comment-24110</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of things.  People attribute Hamilton&#039;s slowing down to batter fatigue.  But 38 swings isn&#039;t a ton, especially with the breaks.  I know a lot of guys who go upwards of 75 at the batting cages.  On the other hand, 38 pitches (more, actually, with the non-swings) for a 71 year old guy is a lot, and since one natural side effect of fatigue would be for the pitches to drop in the strike zone, making them harder to hit out.  I know, there&#039;s a myth that LHBs love the low pitch, but the FX links pretty well prove that lefties and righties mostly hit homers on pitched up and over the plate, just like Ted Williams said.  And another side effect would be for his fast ball to slow down a little, even if the location remained perfect, meaning that Hamilton would have to hit them harder himself to reach the fences. So maybe the problem is the pitcher.  Hamilton shouldn&#039;t have made an old man work so hard.

As for the night game in The Natural, it seemed to me that the scheduled day game hit some postponements because of rain (as evidenced by the rain after the game) which delayed it until the lights were necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of things.  People attribute Hamilton&#8217;s slowing down to batter fatigue.  But 38 swings isn&#8217;t a ton, especially with the breaks.  I know a lot of guys who go upwards of 75 at the batting cages.  On the other hand, 38 pitches (more, actually, with the non-swings) for a 71 year old guy is a lot, and since one natural side effect of fatigue would be for the pitches to drop in the strike zone, making them harder to hit out.  I know, there&#8217;s a myth that LHBs love the low pitch, but the FX links pretty well prove that lefties and righties mostly hit homers on pitched up and over the plate, just like Ted Williams said.  And another side effect would be for his fast ball to slow down a little, even if the location remained perfect, meaning that Hamilton would have to hit them harder himself to reach the fences. So maybe the problem is the pitcher.  Hamilton shouldn&#8217;t have made an old man work so hard.</p>
<p>As for the night game in The Natural, it seemed to me that the scheduled day game hit some postponements because of rain (as evidenced by the rain after the game) which delayed it until the lights were necessary.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Best thing I read off the Home Run Derby came here, of course. A Max Mercy byline, ghostwritten by some other Joe: â€œI thought ze Derby was never to end,â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Best thing I read off the Home Run Derby came here, of course. A Max Mercy byline, ghostwritten by some other Joe: â€œI thought ze Derby was never to end,â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fezzik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fezzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the book before I saw the movie. That made the movie that much more exciting. I was never sure until the bat met the ball that Hobbs would hit the HR. Now that I am a cynical adult, I wish Redford had been more true to the book.

Having said all that, I still list &quot;The Natural&quot; as my all-time favorite movie (at least  when I don&#039;t bump &quot;Airplane&quot; into first).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the book before I saw the movie. That made the movie that much more exciting. I was never sure until the bat met the ball that Hobbs would hit the HR. Now that I am a cynical adult, I wish Redford had been more true to the book.</p>
<p>Having said all that, I still list &#8220;The Natural&#8221; as my all-time favorite movie (at least  when I don&#8217;t bump &#8220;Airplane&#8221; into first).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I think to myself: &quot;Hey, self, you could be a pretty good, entertaining, thoughtful writer.&quot;

Then I come here.  

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us, Joe.  Seriously, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, I think to myself: &#8220;Hey, self, you could be a pretty good, entertaining, thoughtful writer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I come here.  </p>
<p>Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us, Joe.  Seriously, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s Soria time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s Soria time!</p>
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		<title>By: concered citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>concered citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Simmons can devote entire mailbag entries to figuring out Jimmy Chitwood&#039;s final box score in &quot;Hoosiers,&quot; we can debate Pop&#039;s dubious lineup decisions...

And yes, for goodness sakes ... what soccer team did you pick?

BTW, there was a guy who started a blog called &quot;If I Blog It They Will Come,&quot; for the sole purpose of getting Kevin Costner to send a picture of himself reading the blog.  Last year he succeeded:

http://ifiblogit.blogspot.com/2007/09/success.html

Afterward he turned his attention to get Robin Williams to do the same.  Still nothing... and to be quite honest, looking over the sheer volume of posts asking Robin to sent a picture creeped me out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Simmons can devote entire mailbag entries to figuring out Jimmy Chitwood&#8217;s final box score in &#8220;Hoosiers,&#8221; we can debate Pop&#8217;s dubious lineup decisions&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, for goodness sakes &#8230; what soccer team did you pick?</p>
<p>BTW, there was a guy who started a blog called &#8220;If I Blog It They Will Come,&#8221; for the sole purpose of getting Kevin Costner to send a picture of himself reading the blog.  Last year he succeeded:</p>
<p><a href="http://ifiblogit.blogspot.com/2007/09/success.html" rel="nofollow">http://ifiblogit.blogspot.com/2007/09/success.html</a></p>
<p>Afterward he turned his attention to get Robin Williams to do the same.  Still nothing&#8230; and to be quite honest, looking over the sheer volume of posts asking Robin to sent a picture creeped me out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was ridiculous.  I loved every word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was ridiculous.  I loved every word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bellweather Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellweather Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course, the biggest problem with the Knights-Pittsburgh playoff is that it never would have been at night in 1939, but then you wouldnâ€™t have had the light scene at the end. Although they could have started the game in the daytime and had to turn the lights on as it got dark. That would have worked.&quot;

Sure Johnny, that would have worked, but:

Up to the 1939 season, six Major League teams had played night games at their home parks.  The Cincinnatti Reds, the Brooklyn (Trolley) Dodgers, The A&#039;s and Phillies of Phillidelphia (both at Shibe Park), the Cleveland Indians, and the Chicago White Sox.

In 1939, the Reds won the NL Pennant with a record of 97-57 and were able to clinch with 2 games left in the season and finished 4.5 games ahead of the Cardinals.  They also did not have a start time past 2:00 in their last series of the season...against Pittsburgh.  The National League&#039;s New York representative did not play a night game the final month of the season.  In fact, they seem to only have played a handful, and only from May thru August.

It is unlikely that a team from NY would wait until the night time on October 1 to play a game that would decide the Pennant.  I can&#039;t remember if the game in the movie was the last game of the season, or a one game playoff a&#039;la C&#039;s and G&#039;s 1908 or D&#039;s and G&#039;s 1951.  If it were, that would render things moot, as the first Postseason night game occoured October 13, 1971; Game 4 of the 1971 World Series.

Also unlikely is the game starting in the late afternoon, and moving into the night where lights would be necessary.  Games usually started between 1:00 and 2:30, with sunset in New York generally around 6:28 PM on October 1, the day that the NL&#039;s last game was played in 1939.  That would mean that the game would have lasted into the 3.5-4 hour range for the last scene to happen in the dark.  However, the game was pretty much a pitcher&#039;s duel, and would have surely been much shorter than that.

The thing that has always bothered me about the movie is when Hobbs knocks the cover off the ball, it is not yet raining, yet by the time the runners are rounding third, they are already running thru puddles...that had formed by the time the ball (or what was left of it) had hit the gound in RF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, the biggest problem with the Knights-Pittsburgh playoff is that it never would have been at night in 1939, but then you wouldnâ€™t have had the light scene at the end. Although they could have started the game in the daytime and had to turn the lights on as it got dark. That would have worked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure Johnny, that would have worked, but:</p>
<p>Up to the 1939 season, six Major League teams had played night games at their home parks.  The Cincinnatti Reds, the Brooklyn (Trolley) Dodgers, The A&#8217;s and Phillies of Phillidelphia (both at Shibe Park), the Cleveland Indians, and the Chicago White Sox.</p>
<p>In 1939, the Reds won the NL Pennant with a record of 97-57 and were able to clinch with 2 games left in the season and finished 4.5 games ahead of the Cardinals.  They also did not have a start time past 2:00 in their last series of the season&#8230;against Pittsburgh.  The National League&#8217;s New York representative did not play a night game the final month of the season.  In fact, they seem to only have played a handful, and only from May thru August.</p>
<p>It is unlikely that a team from NY would wait until the night time on October 1 to play a game that would decide the Pennant.  I can&#8217;t remember if the game in the movie was the last game of the season, or a one game playoff a&#8217;la C&#8217;s and G&#8217;s 1908 or D&#8217;s and G&#8217;s 1951.  If it were, that would render things moot, as the first Postseason night game occoured October 13, 1971; Game 4 of the 1971 World Series.</p>
<p>Also unlikely is the game starting in the late afternoon, and moving into the night where lights would be necessary.  Games usually started between 1:00 and 2:30, with sunset in New York generally around 6:28 PM on October 1, the day that the NL&#8217;s last game was played in 1939.  That would mean that the game would have lasted into the 3.5-4 hour range for the last scene to happen in the dark.  However, the game was pretty much a pitcher&#8217;s duel, and would have surely been much shorter than that.</p>
<p>The thing that has always bothered me about the movie is when Hobbs knocks the cover off the ball, it is not yet raining, yet by the time the runners are rounding third, they are already running thru puddles&#8230;that had formed by the time the ball (or what was left of it) had hit the gound in RF.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant post as always...

And while I shouldn&#039;t mix sports movie metaphors, it seems like Hamilton is more like Roy (Tin Cup) McAvoy.  He may have lost the tournament, but he won the hearts of the fans with his exploits.

What fun to watch last night.  The fans were the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant post as always&#8230;</p>
<p>And while I shouldn&#8217;t mix sports movie metaphors, it seems like Hamilton is more like Roy (Tin Cup) McAvoy.  He may have lost the tournament, but he won the hearts of the fans with his exploits.</p>
<p>What fun to watch last night.  The fans were the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Oddibe Kerfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oddibe Kerfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Costner vs. Cruise contest is tied right now at 830 votes a piece. Amazing! I think I smell a recount coming complete with hanging, pregnant, and dimpled chads and perhaps a Supreme Court case as well. When do the polls officially close? Look for some nasty last minute mudslinging before this election is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Costner vs. Cruise contest is tied right now at 830 votes a piece. Amazing! I think I smell a recount coming complete with hanging, pregnant, and dimpled chads and perhaps a Supreme Court case as well. When do the polls officially close? Look for some nasty last minute mudslinging before this election is over.</p>
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