Comments on: .400 and the Hall of Fame http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/ A Rough Draft Blog Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:07:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jimmie henderson http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-25324 jimmie henderson Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:18:56 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-25324 [...] .400 and the Hall of FameI apologize in advance … the headline makes this seem like it would be about Chipper Jones. But it isn’t. Maybe later. Everybody has read Moneyball by now … so you have to figure that on-base percentage has never been more popular or … - [...] [...] .400 and the Hall of FameI apologize in advance … the headline makes this seem like it would be about Chipper Jones. But it isn’t. Maybe later. Everybody has read Moneyball by now … so you have to figure that on-base percentage has never been more popular or … – [...]

]]> By: .400 and the Hall of Fame | Online Secure Shopping http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-21454 .400 and the Hall of Fame | Online Secure Shopping Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:18:03 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-21454 [...] Joe Posnanski added an interesting post on .400 and the Hall of FameHere’s a small excerptGerman did not offer many other gifts — he was about an average runner, he did not bring much defensively (the Royals once put him in center field and he got hit in the face with a fly ball), and so on. … [...] [...] Joe Posnanski added an interesting post on .400 and the Hall of FameHere’s a small excerptGerman did not offer many other gifts — he was about an average runner, he did not bring much defensively (the Royals once put him in center field and he got hit in the face with a fly ball), and so on. … [...]

]]> By: Beyond the Press Box http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18746 Beyond the Press Box Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:30:43 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18746 [...] his stats that really makes his case as well as anything else is his on-base percentage. Reading Joe Posnanski’s blog, I noticed this. Of the 22 players in baseball history who have had a career on-base percentage of [...] [...] his stats that really makes his case as well as anything else is his on-base percentage. Reading Joe Posnanski’s blog, I noticed this. Of the 22 players in baseball history who have had a career on-base percentage of [...]

]]> By: NOYDB http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18487 NOYDB Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:16:51 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18487 Speaking of Frank Thomas, why hasn't anyone talked about the evolution away from the Lau/Hriniak hitting philosophy of the late 70s to the early 90s(leg stride toward pitcher, take top half off bat after contact) back towards the Ted Williams 40s to the late 60s philosophy (never swing at a ball/powerful hip turn/leave top hand on bat)? I think the two best examples of this change are looking at Frank Thomas' swing in his first few seasons and comparing it with Albert Pujols today. Also, whatever happened to Walt Hriniak? Speaking of Frank Thomas, why hasn’t anyone talked about the evolution away from the Lau/Hriniak hitting philosophy of the late 70s to the early 90s(leg stride toward pitcher, take top half off bat after contact) back towards the Ted Williams 40s to the late 60s philosophy (never swing at a ball/powerful hip turn/leave top hand on bat)? I think the two best examples of this change are looking at Frank Thomas’ swing in his first few seasons and comparing it with Albert Pujols today.

Also, whatever happened to Walt Hriniak?

]]> By: Creston http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18442 Creston Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:18:38 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18442 "probably also because he never read the book and thinks Billy Beane wrote it." Everybody knows a computer wrote Moneyball. It was originally titled "Computerball : How Computers Will Abduct Your Sister And Rule The World After The AI Wars." I also saw someone say that Berkman doesn't "feel" like a Hall of Famer. Have you LOOKED at the guy's stats? If it wasn't for Pujols playing in the same division, we'd be talking about him as the best first baseman in baseball right now. He has a career OPS of .983! His lowest ever season was .896, which was last year when everyone said he was in a "horrible" slump. Seriously, it has to be because these two guys play(ed) in Houston, and nobody ever watches any Houston games. Lance Berkman = AWESOME. “probably also because he never read the book and thinks Billy Beane wrote it.”

Everybody knows a computer wrote Moneyball. It was originally titled “Computerball : How Computers Will Abduct Your Sister And Rule The World After The AI Wars.”

I also saw someone say that Berkman doesn’t “feel” like a Hall of Famer. Have you LOOKED at the guy’s stats? If it wasn’t for Pujols playing in the same division, we’d be talking about him as the best first baseman in baseball right now.

He has a career OPS of .983! His lowest ever season was .896, which was last year when everyone said he was in a “horrible” slump.

Seriously, it has to be because these two guys play(ed) in Houston, and nobody ever watches any Houston games. Lance Berkman = AWESOME.

]]> By: Creston http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18438 Creston Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:10:18 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18438 "By the way, is anyone else surprised Pujols is not on the future hall-of-fame list? " He hasn't played 2000 games yet, which was Joe's cutoff point. To be fair, neither has Lance Berkman. :) “By the way, is anyone else surprised Pujols is not on the future hall-of-fame list? ”

He hasn’t played 2000 games yet, which was Joe’s cutoff point.

To be fair, neither has Lance Berkman. :)

]]> By: Creston http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18437 Creston Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:08:21 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18437 I've done a quick glance on the OPS+ career leaderboard, where Baggs ranks 34th. That's all players all time. Quickly, I think that ranks him fifth among first basemen, but I may have missed one or two names that don't immediately ring a bell as to their position. It's probably worthy to note that his career 149 OPS+ is higher than that of : Giambi, Vlad, ARod Chipper Helton Sheffield Piazza Ortiz Griffey Jr And so on. For those who said no on Frank Thomas, that even more flabbergasting. Career OPS+ of 157. In pure OBP, he's 20th ALL TIME! Btw, here's another guy who plays in Houston that nobody's ever heard of. Lance Berkman. Rob Neyer fell out of his chair when Berkman had his insane month and Richard Justice said Berkman would go to the Hall of Fame. "Berkman?! REALLY?!" Then he looked up the stats. Oh. Wow. How's his 27th all time career OBP look? (so far). I’ve done a quick glance on the OPS+ career leaderboard, where Baggs ranks 34th. That’s all players all time. Quickly, I think that ranks him fifth among first basemen, but I may have missed one or two names that don’t immediately ring a bell as to their position.

It’s probably worthy to note that his career 149 OPS+ is higher than that of :

Giambi,
Vlad,
ARod
Chipper
Helton
Sheffield
Piazza
Ortiz
Griffey Jr

And so on.

For those who said no on Frank Thomas, that even more flabbergasting. Career OPS+ of 157. In pure OBP, he’s 20th ALL TIME!

Btw, here’s another guy who plays in Houston that nobody’s ever heard of. Lance Berkman. Rob Neyer fell out of his chair when Berkman had his insane month and Richard Justice said Berkman would go to the Hall of Fame.
“Berkman?! REALLY?!”
Then he looked up the stats. Oh. Wow.

How’s his 27th all time career OBP look? (so far).

]]> By: Creston http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18432 Creston Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:01:51 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18432 People saying no on Bagwell just baffles me. Baffles. I guess it's because he played in Houston, they never went anywhere, it wasn't until Clemens and Pettite showed up that they finally won a playoff series (and Bagwell didn't play in most of those) etc. Who cares about Houston, right? Roy Oswalt has been one of the top 5 pitchers in the NL for the last five years (this year excluded), I don't think anyone knew who he was. And yet, Baggs! Has a career OPS+ of 149 (!!). 7 straight years of 100+ walks and 30+ homeruns. 9 total years of 30+ homers. 9 years of 100+ RsBI. He wasn't spectacular with the glove, but he was good enough. During his peak he was even an excellent base runner and a decent base stealer. No Hall of Fame? That's it? I need to subscribe to reference's BPI index. I think Bagwell probably ranks top ten in OPS+ for first basemen. Maybe top five. Can someone who has a subscription run that? People saying no on Bagwell just baffles me. Baffles. I guess it’s because he played in Houston, they never went anywhere, it wasn’t until Clemens and Pettite showed up that they finally won a playoff series (and Bagwell didn’t play in most of those) etc.

Who cares about Houston, right? Roy Oswalt has been one of the top 5 pitchers in the NL for the last five years (this year excluded), I don’t think anyone knew who he was.

And yet, Baggs! Has a career OPS+ of 149 (!!). 7 straight years of 100+ walks and 30+ homeruns. 9 total years of 30+ homers. 9 years of 100+ RsBI.

He wasn’t spectacular with the glove, but he was good enough. During his peak he was even an excellent base runner and a decent base stealer.

No Hall of Fame? That’s it?

I need to subscribe to reference’s BPI index. I think Bagwell probably ranks top ten in OPS+ for first basemen. Maybe top five. Can someone who has a subscription run that?

]]> By: KB http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18400 KB Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:47:26 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18400 That Joe Morgan story only adds to present day mind numbing ignorance. He just doesn't want to "admit" to agreeing with anything in Moneyball even though he does..... probably also because he never read the book and thinks Billy Beane wrote it. That Joe Morgan story only adds to present day mind numbing ignorance. He just doesn’t want to “admit” to agreeing with anything in Moneyball even though he does….. probably also because he never read the book and thinks Billy Beane wrote it.

]]> By: Edgar in the hall? Of course. « Insert something witty here http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18371 Edgar in the hall? Of course. « Insert something witty here Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:57:56 +0000 http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/03/hitting-400-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-18371 [...] his stats that really makes his case as well as anything else is his on-base percentage. Reading Joe Posnanski’s blog, I noticed this. Of the 22 players in baseball history who have had a career on-base percentage of [...] [...] his stats that really makes his case as well as anything else is his on-base percentage. Reading Joe Posnanski’s blog, I noticed this. Of the 22 players in baseball history who have had a career on-base percentage of [...]

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