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		<title>By: NYRoyal</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10425</link>
		<dc:creator>NYRoyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I still don&#039;t get your Soria argument.   Your points are basically:

1. It&#039;s extremely rare (nearly unprecedented) for a pitcher to break into the majors as a closer and then become a starting pitcher.

2. Is there any going back?

What does that mean?  Are you saying that if he came up as a starter then he&#039;s probably lacking in some way and wouldn&#039;t succeed as a starter?  Are you saying that once a young pitcher really succeeds as a closer, his team won&#039;t want to move him out of that role?

From everything I&#039;ve read and heard about Soria, the former seems unlikely.  The latter is certainly possible.  But at least McClure has been quoted as saying that he thinks Soria would make a good starter.  

So there are two separate questions:

1. Will Soria ever be moved to the rotation?

Hard to say.  We really have no idea.

2. Should Soria be transitioned at a reasonable, safe pace into the rotation?

Definitely.  There&#039;s no good reason not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I still don&#8217;t get your Soria argument.   Your points are basically:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s extremely rare (nearly unprecedented) for a pitcher to break into the majors as a closer and then become a starting pitcher.</p>
<p>2. Is there any going back?</p>
<p>What does that mean?  Are you saying that if he came up as a starter then he&#8217;s probably lacking in some way and wouldn&#8217;t succeed as a starter?  Are you saying that once a young pitcher really succeeds as a closer, his team won&#8217;t want to move him out of that role?</p>
<p>From everything I&#8217;ve read and heard about Soria, the former seems unlikely.  The latter is certainly possible.  But at least McClure has been quoted as saying that he thinks Soria would make a good starter.  </p>
<p>So there are two separate questions:</p>
<p>1. Will Soria ever be moved to the rotation?</p>
<p>Hard to say.  We really have no idea.</p>
<p>2. Should Soria be transitioned at a reasonable, safe pace into the rotation?</p>
<p>Definitely.  There&#8217;s no good reason not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandmother&#039;s hairdresser was on vacation with her family at Myrtle Beach, and she had been drinking Coke from a can. It was hot, and the beach was crowded, so they were  near a trash can. She dozed off for a bit, and when she woke up, she was parched, and reached for her coke. She took a huge gulp, swallowing a couple of bees in the process. They stung her throat, on the inside, and she nearly died. Fortunately, there was some kind of lifeguard home-base nearby, and they  gave her one of those shots that stop swelling, and she was rushed to the hospital. Scary. Since then, I&#039;ve been leery of drinking canned pop that&#039;s been outside. 

On a Royals-related note, I just don&#039;t get the Tomko signing. Surely there was somebody else they could&#039;ve thrown out there in the 5th spot who would&#039;ve been at least as good. What a waste of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandmother&#8217;s hairdresser was on vacation with her family at Myrtle Beach, and she had been drinking Coke from a can. It was hot, and the beach was crowded, so they were  near a trash can. She dozed off for a bit, and when she woke up, she was parched, and reached for her coke. She took a huge gulp, swallowing a couple of bees in the process. They stung her throat, on the inside, and she nearly died. Fortunately, there was some kind of lifeguard home-base nearby, and they  gave her one of those shots that stop swelling, and she was rushed to the hospital. Scary. Since then, I&#8217;ve been leery of drinking canned pop that&#8217;s been outside. </p>
<p>On a Royals-related note, I just don&#8217;t get the Tomko signing. Surely there was somebody else they could&#8217;ve thrown out there in the 5th spot who would&#8217;ve been at least as good. What a waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Shonepup</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10399</link>
		<dc:creator>Shonepup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was 10, and my brother 14, he took a sip out of a Coke can and a bee came out and stung him on the lip.

He looked like the elephant man for about 3 days.

Funniest thing I&#039;ve ever seen (once we realized he wasn&#039;t going to die or be disfigured for life - but man I&#039;ve never seen anything uglier - his head was literally the size of a basketball).

Love everything you write Joe - Go Giants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was 10, and my brother 14, he took a sip out of a Coke can and a bee came out and stung him on the lip.</p>
<p>He looked like the elephant man for about 3 days.</p>
<p>Funniest thing I&#8217;ve ever seen (once we realized he wasn&#8217;t going to die or be disfigured for life &#8211; but man I&#8217;ve never seen anything uglier &#8211; his head was literally the size of a basketball).</p>
<p>Love everything you write Joe &#8211; Go Giants!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10396</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe-
I received my copy of The Soul of Baseball on Tuesday night and finished it on the way to work this morning. I had a few tears streaming down my face and the girl next to me kept giving me sideways glances like I was a nut. It was well worth it.  I just want to thank you for sharing Buck O&#039;Neil&#039;s story. Unfortunately I don&#039;t have any Buck stories of my own, but now I feel like I do. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe-<br />
I received my copy of The Soul of Baseball on Tuesday night and finished it on the way to work this morning. I had a few tears streaming down my face and the girl next to me kept giving me sideways glances like I was a nut. It was well worth it.  I just want to thank you for sharing Buck O&#8217;Neil&#8217;s story. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have any Buck stories of my own, but now I feel like I do. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight K. Schrute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight K. Schrute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it crazyto think that a rotation of Meche, Bannister, Greinke, Hochevar and #5 Du Jour can at least be competitive?  I&#039;m not a Royals fan but if a few things bounce their way (Bannister K&#039;s a few more guys, Greinke and Hochevar find their groove), that&#039;s at least a respectable starting rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it crazyto think that a rotation of Meche, Bannister, Greinke, Hochevar and #5 Du Jour can at least be competitive?  I&#8217;m not a Royals fan but if a few things bounce their way (Bannister K&#8217;s a few more guys, Greinke and Hochevar find their groove), that&#8217;s at least a respectable starting rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh in DC</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10392</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(You know, it dawns on me that given all the bashing you&#039;ve gotten recently, some may not realize that was a joke.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(You know, it dawns on me that given all the bashing you&#8217;ve gotten recently, some may not realize that was a joke.)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh in DC</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/03/13/one-intense-royals-preview-part-ii/#comment-10391</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now do the Astros!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now do the Astros!</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Gibson lost 9 games in &#039;68, the year he had a 1.12 ERA.  His ERA in his losses was 2.14.

IP               ER
9                3
8                2
9.2             1
8                  1
8                 3
9                 3
8                 2
8                 1
8                 2

Another tough-luck year was Nolan Ryan&#039;s 1987.  He led the league in ERA at 2.87, but went 8-16.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Gibson lost 9 games in &#8216;68, the year he had a 1.12 ERA.  His ERA in his losses was 2.14.</p>
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9                3<br />
8                2<br />
9.2             1<br />
8                  1<br />
8                 3<br />
9                 3<br />
8                 2<br />
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<p>Another tough-luck year was Nolan Ryan&#8217;s 1987.  He led the league in ERA at 2.87, but went 8-16.</p>
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		<title>By: G Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is pretty obvious who Elizabeth should adopt - Billy Butler.

I can&#039;t think of a better player for a 6 year old to follow then a guy who can flat out hit.  Plenty of opportunities to jump up and cheer.

Plus, he looks a little bit like a cartoon.  And not a scary cartoon like Barry Bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is pretty obvious who Elizabeth should adopt &#8211; Billy Butler.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a better player for a 6 year old to follow then a guy who can flat out hit.  Plenty of opportunities to jump up and cheer.</p>
<p>Plus, he looks a little bit like a cartoon.  And not a scary cartoon like Barry Bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Snuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: hard luck pitching seasons
Well, you couldn&#039;t call it a hard luck season, but in 2000, Pedro Martinez averaged 8 IP in his six losses, with a 2.44 ERA and an 0.79 WHIP (48 IP, 60 K, 30 H, 8 BB).  He lost a 1-0 complete game in which he had 17 strikeouts and 1 walk.  Martinez&#039;s losing-games-only ERA would have won the 2000 ERA title over in the National League.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: hard luck pitching seasons<br />
Well, you couldn&#8217;t call it a hard luck season, but in 2000, Pedro Martinez averaged 8 IP in his six losses, with a 2.44 ERA and an 0.79 WHIP (48 IP, 60 K, 30 H, 8 BB).  He lost a 1-0 complete game in which he had 17 strikeouts and 1 walk.  Martinez&#8217;s losing-games-only ERA would have won the 2000 ERA title over in the National League.</p>
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