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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/02/01/super-bowl-shuffling/#comment-7567</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with that &#039;97 Jayhawks team (and thus their players) was the same problem the current one has.  The roles weren&#039;t defined and the stars weren&#039;t willing to consistently dominate because players like Pollard and Haas kept the other team from being able to attack anywhere.

Compare those teams to the Manning miracle team or the two teams that Hinrich and Collison took to the Final Four.  On those teams the stars dominated.

Brandon Rush and Darrell Arthur - the two most highly projected NBA guys on the KU roster - disappeared against K-State just like LaFrenz and Pierce did any time it was time to really play.  Paul Pierce was an incredibly disappointing college player.  He&#039;d be utterly unstoppable for 10 minutes and then glide through the rest of the game and the next two without much impression.

I love the Jayhawks, but to claim Paul Pierce was one of the top 50 college players over the last 20 years much less the top 5 is way over the top.

If Nick Collison had made free throws in the championship game, he&#039;d be a contestant for the list.  Also, Carmelo, who ran and hid from the ball the whole second half of the championship game, and then went to the NBA shouldn&#039;t be mentioned as a runner-up either.

If you want the greatest college players of the last twenty years, you&#039;ve got to look at guys like Sean Elliot, Danny Ferry, and the UNLV players.  But Danny Manning is clearly the best college basketball player in that time frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with that &#8216;97 Jayhawks team (and thus their players) was the same problem the current one has.  The roles weren&#8217;t defined and the stars weren&#8217;t willing to consistently dominate because players like Pollard and Haas kept the other team from being able to attack anywhere.</p>
<p>Compare those teams to the Manning miracle team or the two teams that Hinrich and Collison took to the Final Four.  On those teams the stars dominated.</p>
<p>Brandon Rush and Darrell Arthur &#8211; the two most highly projected NBA guys on the KU roster &#8211; disappeared against K-State just like LaFrenz and Pierce did any time it was time to really play.  Paul Pierce was an incredibly disappointing college player.  He&#8217;d be utterly unstoppable for 10 minutes and then glide through the rest of the game and the next two without much impression.</p>
<p>I love the Jayhawks, but to claim Paul Pierce was one of the top 50 college players over the last 20 years much less the top 5 is way over the top.</p>
<p>If Nick Collison had made free throws in the championship game, he&#8217;d be a contestant for the list.  Also, Carmelo, who ran and hid from the ball the whole second half of the championship game, and then went to the NBA shouldn&#8217;t be mentioned as a runner-up either.</p>
<p>If you want the greatest college players of the last twenty years, you&#8217;ve got to look at guys like Sean Elliot, Danny Ferry, and the UNLV players.  But Danny Manning is clearly the best college basketball player in that time frame.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part of the Morninhweg screw-up is that he &quot;took the wind&quot; in OT, and then took a penalty that if declined would have forced the other team to punt. On the second chance they got a first down, got into field goal range and kicked the winning FG despite the mighty wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part of the Morninhweg screw-up is that he &#8220;took the wind&#8221; in OT, and then took a penalty that if declined would have forced the other team to punt. On the second chance they got a first down, got into field goal range and kicked the winning FG despite the mighty wind.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine has been joking about firing a coach on the sidelines during a game, much like you describe during a press conference.

Best example I remember was during a Detroit Lions game that went to overtime, Marty Morningwhig decided to defer after winning the coin flip.  

My friend immediately said:  &quot;Are you kidding me?  If I was the owner, I would literally walk down to the sideline and fire him on the spot.&quot;  

&quot;Marty, go ahead and head home, will work out the contract buyout later, but just give me the headset, and leave the building.  You can come clean your stuff out tomorrow.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine has been joking about firing a coach on the sidelines during a game, much like you describe during a press conference.</p>
<p>Best example I remember was during a Detroit Lions game that went to overtime, Marty Morningwhig decided to defer after winning the coin flip.  </p>
<p>My friend immediately said:  &#8220;Are you kidding me?  If I was the owner, I would literally walk down to the sideline and fire him on the spot.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Marty, go ahead and head home, will work out the contract buyout later, but just give me the headset, and leave the building.  You can come clean your stuff out tomorrow.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No... but he was on several tv shows...

&quot;The Munsters&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1965)
    - Herman the Rookie (1965) TV episode .... Himself
&quot;Mr. Novak&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1964)
    - Boy Under Glass (1964) TV episode .... Himself
&quot;The Donna Reed Show&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1964)
    - Play Ball (1964) TV episode .... Himself
&quot;The Judy Garland Show&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1963)
    - Episode #1.4 (1963) TV episode .... Himself
&quot;Mister Ed&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1963)
    - Leo Durocher Meets Mister Ed (1963) TV episode .... Himself
&quot;The Beverly Hillbillies&quot; .... Himself (1 episode, 1963)
    - The Clampetts and the Dodgers (1963) TV episode .... Himself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No&#8230; but he was on several tv shows&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Munsters&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1965)<br />
    &#8211; Herman the Rookie (1965) TV episode &#8230;. Himself<br />
&#8220;Mr. Novak&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1964)<br />
    &#8211; Boy Under Glass (1964) TV episode &#8230;. Himself<br />
&#8220;The Donna Reed Show&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1964)<br />
    &#8211; Play Ball (1964) TV episode &#8230;. Himself<br />
&#8220;The Judy Garland Show&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1963)<br />
    &#8211; Episode #1.4 (1963) TV episode &#8230;. Himself<br />
&#8220;Mister Ed&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1963)<br />
    &#8211; Leo Durocher Meets Mister Ed (1963) TV episode &#8230;. Himself<br />
&#8220;The Beverly Hillbillies&#8221; &#8230;. Himself (1 episode, 1963)<br />
    &#8211; The Clampetts and the Dodgers (1963) TV episode &#8230;. Himself</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Leo Durocher ever on the Addams Family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Leo Durocher ever on the Addams Family?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall liking both the Munsters and Adams Family... however I have not seen either since I was about 8 years old... so I don&#039;t really trust my recollections..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall liking both the Munsters and Adams Family&#8230; however I have not seen either since I was about 8 years old&#8230; so I don&#8217;t really trust my recollections..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gogiggs: 
I liked the Munsters and that doesn&#039;t embarrass me one bit.  I do find it amusing that you can get all worked up about it though so 5 stars for that I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gogiggs:<br />
I liked the Munsters and that doesn&#8217;t embarrass me one bit.  I do find it amusing that you can get all worked up about it though so 5 stars for that I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Sig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Joe!

What I say to folks with young children is that I have only one, she&#039;s 27 and she&#039;s all paid for.

While the Flying Nun is certainly a worthy candidate, my vote goes to My Mother the Car starring Jerry van Dyke and the voice of Ann Southern wherein Jerry&#039;s Mom dies and is reincarnated as an old car.

Tell your kids about how a nice man would come and pump the gas for you.

Finally, you are at the Super Bowl, you are living in Kansas City, so can we have a few words about Hank Stram!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Joe!</p>
<p>What I say to folks with young children is that I have only one, she&#8217;s 27 and she&#8217;s all paid for.</p>
<p>While the Flying Nun is certainly a worthy candidate, my vote goes to My Mother the Car starring Jerry van Dyke and the voice of Ann Southern wherein Jerry&#8217;s Mom dies and is reincarnated as an old car.</p>
<p>Tell your kids about how a nice man would come and pump the gas for you.</p>
<p>Finally, you are at the Super Bowl, you are living in Kansas City, so can we have a few words about Hank Stram!</p>
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		<title>By: gogiggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gogiggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important thing to remember is that the casting and execution of a TV show counts for at least as much as the original idea. 

Example A: &quot;let&#039;s make a TV show based on that recently popular  anti-establishment comedy motion picture&quot; resulted in both the all-time great series &quot;M*A*S*H&quot; and the all-time disaster &quot;Animal House&quot;.

Example B: &quot;Let&#039;s make a series about a family of monsters and freaks living in a scary house in suburbia&quot; resulted in both the excellent &quot;The Addams Family&quot; and the pedestrian &quot;The Munsters&quot;*

Example C: &quot;Let&#039;s make a series about a therapist who moves to the pacific northwest following a divorce to host a radio show and lets get that supporting character from that incredibly popular series to star&quot; resulted in both the hugely popular &quot;Frasier&quot; and the legendary career killer &quot;Hello Larry&quot;.

*You may, for some reason, think that The Munsters are as good as or better than The Addams Family. Possible reasons for such a response include: total lack of a sense of humor; extreme stupidity; growing up under power lines; a childhood spent ingesting lead paint. Whatever the reason, you are wrong. The Addams Family was awesome, The Munsters was hackwork. In the extremely sad case that you don&#039;t agree, why not save us all a lot of  embarassment and discomfort and just keep it to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important thing to remember is that the casting and execution of a TV show counts for at least as much as the original idea. </p>
<p>Example A: &#8220;let&#8217;s make a TV show based on that recently popular  anti-establishment comedy motion picture&#8221; resulted in both the all-time great series &#8220;M*A*S*H&#8221; and the all-time disaster &#8220;Animal House&#8221;.</p>
<p>Example B: &#8220;Let&#8217;s make a series about a family of monsters and freaks living in a scary house in suburbia&#8221; resulted in both the excellent &#8220;The Addams Family&#8221; and the pedestrian &#8220;The Munsters&#8221;*</p>
<p>Example C: &#8220;Let&#8217;s make a series about a therapist who moves to the pacific northwest following a divorce to host a radio show and lets get that supporting character from that incredibly popular series to star&#8221; resulted in both the hugely popular &#8220;Frasier&#8221; and the legendary career killer &#8220;Hello Larry&#8221;.</p>
<p>*You may, for some reason, think that The Munsters are as good as or better than The Addams Family. Possible reasons for such a response include: total lack of a sense of humor; extreme stupidity; growing up under power lines; a childhood spent ingesting lead paint. Whatever the reason, you are wrong. The Addams Family was awesome, The Munsters was hackwork. In the extremely sad case that you don&#8217;t agree, why not save us all a lot of  embarassment and discomfort and just keep it to yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonzi Wells at Ball State. Obviously not among the best college players. But if dominant means &quot;how does he compare against the competition&quot;, then he&#039;s on my list. He turned MAC games into farces, would just play with the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonzi Wells at Ball State. Obviously not among the best college players. But if dominant means &#8220;how does he compare against the competition&#8221;, then he&#8217;s on my list. He turned MAC games into farces, would just play with the opposition.</p>
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