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		<title>By: ajnrules</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>ajnrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, the Throw in Game 3 can be seen in the Thrill of it All DVD that was handed out to fans in a game in 2005 for the 20th anniversary of the WS champions. It&#039;s in the &quot;Never Before Seen Interviews&quot; section. And I guess it wasn&#039;t a sizzler, but it was a tough one-hopper nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, the Throw in Game 3 can be seen in the Thrill of it All DVD that was handed out to fans in a game in 2005 for the 20th anniversary of the WS champions. It&#8217;s in the &#8220;Never Before Seen Interviews&#8221; section. And I guess it wasn&#8217;t a sizzler, but it was a tough one-hopper nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeyLikes It</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeyLikes It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit a good point when you said the non-clutch hitters are in the minors.  There have been many attempts to document consistent clutch hitting that have come up short.  Most people don&#039;t understand the laws of probability, sample size etc.  Once a ball is put in play, luck in where the ball lands plays a huge role (Not the only one but a big one).  

When you are talking about major league players, they are ALL good enough that there is little variation in their performances in different situations, therefore no easily identified clutch performance for hitters.  Another way to look at it is this.  Major league talent does not fall along a bell curve.  It is ALL on the top part of the curve.  If you looked at clutch hitting for high schoolers or little leaguers you might find a huge disparity.

Also, I agree that clutch performance for pitchers may be an entirely different thing.  Especially for power/strikeout pitchers where the defense and element of chance for balls put in play do not have as significant a role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit a good point when you said the non-clutch hitters are in the minors.  There have been many attempts to document consistent clutch hitting that have come up short.  Most people don&#8217;t understand the laws of probability, sample size etc.  Once a ball is put in play, luck in where the ball lands plays a huge role (Not the only one but a big one).  </p>
<p>When you are talking about major league players, they are ALL good enough that there is little variation in their performances in different situations, therefore no easily identified clutch performance for hitters.  Another way to look at it is this.  Major league talent does not fall along a bell curve.  It is ALL on the top part of the curve.  If you looked at clutch hitting for high schoolers or little leaguers you might find a huge disparity.</p>
<p>Also, I agree that clutch performance for pitchers may be an entirely different thing.  Especially for power/strikeout pitchers where the defense and element of chance for balls put in play do not have as significant a role.</p>
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		<title>By: ajnrules</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>ajnrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rd inning, Damaso Garcia on 3rd representing the tying run. Lloyd Moseby hit a sizzler down the third base line that Brett snagged and threw to Sundberg to get Garcia, who was trying to score. I saw a footage of that somewhere, but don&#039;t remember where.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3rd inning, Damaso Garcia on 3rd representing the tying run. Lloyd Moseby hit a sizzler down the third base line that Brett snagged and threw to Sundberg to get Garcia, who was trying to score. I saw a footage of that somewhere, but don&#8217;t remember where.</p>
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		<title>By: Snuckles</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Snuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The guy who hit two homers and made a miraculous defensive play to beat Toronto in that famous Game 3.&quot;

Maybe 1% less famous than that.  I saw that game, but my brain has obviously calcified because I don&#039;t remember the miraculous defensive play in the slightest.  Details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The guy who hit two homers and made a miraculous defensive play to beat Toronto in that famous Game 3.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe 1% less famous than that.  I saw that game, but my brain has obviously calcified because I don&#8217;t remember the miraculous defensive play in the slightest.  Details?</p>
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		<title>By: Benwa</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Benwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to winning is starters pitching longer into games. Starters picthing longer translates into more efficiently used relievers and in the national league it also means a better used bench of pinch hitters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to winning is starters pitching longer into games. Starters picthing longer translates into more efficiently used relievers and in the national league it also means a better used bench of pinch hitters.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very simple post.  Welcome back.  I missed you after the &quot;Soul of Baseball&quot; met its demise.  I&#039;m a &#039;Sox fan, but if tonight goes the against us, I will root for the Tribe.  We need to break those long streaks (except for the Cubs who I just cannot root for regardless of the situation, it goes back to Jimmy Qualls in &#039;69), plus I think Cleveland is a very under-rated city.  I had a great experience at the Jake and the R&amp;R HOF is a favorite.

Of course, I also had a great time in KC the one time I was there for a conference.  The fountains are great fun in the summer heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very simple post.  Welcome back.  I missed you after the &#8220;Soul of Baseball&#8221; met its demise.  I&#8217;m a &#8216;Sox fan, but if tonight goes the against us, I will root for the Tribe.  We need to break those long streaks (except for the Cubs who I just cannot root for regardless of the situation, it goes back to Jimmy Qualls in &#8216;69), plus I think Cleveland is a very under-rated city.  I had a great experience at the Jake and the R&amp;R HOF is a favorite.</p>
<p>Of course, I also had a great time in KC the one time I was there for a conference.  The fountains are great fun in the summer heat.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Joe, how do you explain hitters or pitchers who were statistically much, much worse in the postseason? Look at Frank White (.213  .241  .287 in the postseason, .255  .293  .383 in the regular season), and compare that to a guy like Paul O&#039;Neill, whose numbers were very, very similar in the regular season and postseason.  Maybe clutch is simply continuing to perform at your usual level, whereas not-clutch is dropping off in October. A-Rod&#039;s postseason stats certainly aren&#039;t as good in the postseason as in the regular season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Joe, how do you explain hitters or pitchers who were statistically much, much worse in the postseason? Look at Frank White (.213  .241  .287 in the postseason, .255  .293  .383 in the regular season), and compare that to a guy like Paul O&#8217;Neill, whose numbers were very, very similar in the regular season and postseason.  Maybe clutch is simply continuing to perform at your usual level, whereas not-clutch is dropping off in October. A-Rod&#8217;s postseason stats certainly aren&#8217;t as good in the postseason as in the regular season.</p>
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		<title>By: baseball chick</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>baseball chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sure there are people who definitely perform better under pressure - the pressure helps them focus/concentrate

but as for baseball?

well, i would guess that what is happens is that in the postseason they do what crash davis said not to - don&#039;t think, it can only hurt the ballclub. or they get nervous and the nervousness does not help them focus. or the pitcher looks at who is hitting and not at the mitt.

i also think you have a VERY good point about the 6th and 8th inning. i know all about all the old timers complaining endlessly that modern pitchers, uh, have, uh, small male organs or something like that, but the fact is that times have changed and your middle relievers are really really important especially in close games. my astros had something like 27 games lost by relievers who took over when the starter was winning.

and by the way, you sure are a good writer. in case you never heard it before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure there are people who definitely perform better under pressure &#8211; the pressure helps them focus/concentrate</p>
<p>but as for baseball?</p>
<p>well, i would guess that what is happens is that in the postseason they do what crash davis said not to &#8211; don&#8217;t think, it can only hurt the ballclub. or they get nervous and the nervousness does not help them focus. or the pitcher looks at who is hitting and not at the mitt.</p>
<p>i also think you have a VERY good point about the 6th and 8th inning. i know all about all the old timers complaining endlessly that modern pitchers, uh, have, uh, small male organs or something like that, but the fact is that times have changed and your middle relievers are really really important especially in close games. my astros had something like 27 games lost by relievers who took over when the starter was winning.</p>
<p>and by the way, you sure are a good writer. in case you never heard it before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;ve Learned So Far &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Acid Bath.</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/20/how-we-got-here/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;ve Learned So Far &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Acid Bath.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posnanski&#8217;s thoughts on &#8220;clutch&#8221; hitting in this blog post got me thinking about that topic again. I believe the topic has ramifications far beyond sports. So [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posnanski&#8217;s thoughts on &#8220;clutch&#8221; hitting in this blog post got me thinking about that topic again. I believe the topic has ramifications far beyond sports. So [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mwu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re clutch hitting:

I think your comparison of athletes to writers or other non-athletic disciplines as a way to argue against clutch hitting is not quite right.

Athletes spend so many practices developing &#039;muscle memory&#039; skills that ideally come to the fore in situations where one&#039;s internal thoughts and stresses can become a hindrance. Thus, I believe there are athletes who perform better under higher-stress situations than they would under low-stress situations, because, unlike a writer&#039;s deadline, the activity in question is essentially the same.

You continue to swing a bat or throw a ball in the same time-space, under similar constraints. Meanwhile, a writer under tight deadline must alter his/her writing process to the final product&#039;s detriment -- it&#039;s just a matter of level of detriment.

A better writer analogy would be one whose work improves when the moment to be chronicled has higher stakes. Like, say, a columnist whose story about a Super Bowl is far stronger than his/her work covering a regular season game. I believe for many writers, those higher stakes and pressures can improve their work -- provided the time-frame for the product is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re clutch hitting:</p>
<p>I think your comparison of athletes to writers or other non-athletic disciplines as a way to argue against clutch hitting is not quite right.</p>
<p>Athletes spend so many practices developing &#8216;muscle memory&#8217; skills that ideally come to the fore in situations where one&#8217;s internal thoughts and stresses can become a hindrance. Thus, I believe there are athletes who perform better under higher-stress situations than they would under low-stress situations, because, unlike a writer&#8217;s deadline, the activity in question is essentially the same.</p>
<p>You continue to swing a bat or throw a ball in the same time-space, under similar constraints. Meanwhile, a writer under tight deadline must alter his/her writing process to the final product&#8217;s detriment &#8212; it&#8217;s just a matter of level of detriment.</p>
<p>A better writer analogy would be one whose work improves when the moment to be chronicled has higher stakes. Like, say, a columnist whose story about a Super Bowl is far stronger than his/her work covering a regular season game. I believe for many writers, those higher stakes and pressures can improve their work &#8212; provided the time-frame for the product is the same.</p>
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