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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-82596</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve won!  Go Steve!  King of the blog!</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-64376</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t heard any complaints about Wahoo in a while.

I guess racism just doesn&#039;t matter when it comes from a last place team, right? How typical. How droll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t heard any complaints about Wahoo in a while.</p>
<p>I guess racism just doesn&#8217;t matter when it comes from a last place team, right? How typical. How droll.</p>
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		<title>By: chief wahoo</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-61257</link>
		<dc:creator>chief wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [1] Cleveland Frowns: The Curse of Chief Wahoo [2] Wahoo &#8230; &#8221; Joe Posnanski [3] Chief Wahoo should go - Cleveland Lifestyles &#8216; Living, Food, Health &#8230; [4] MLB [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [1] Cleveland Frowns: The Curse of Chief Wahoo [2] Wahoo &#8230; &#8221; Joe Posnanski [3] Chief Wahoo should go &#8211; Cleveland Lifestyles &#8216; Living, Food, Health &#8230; [4] MLB [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Suddenly Disappearing Chief Wahoo &#124; MOUTHPIECE Blog // A Chicago-Addled Sports Blog</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-57125</link>
		<dc:creator>The Suddenly Disappearing Chief Wahoo &#124; MOUTHPIECE Blog // A Chicago-Addled Sports Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve made clear my feelings on the Cleveland Indians&#8217; logo, Chief Wahoo, before. It&#8217;s racist. It&#8217;s dumb. And it&#8217;s like rubbing salt into the considerable wounds of the many proud Native American cultures we white folks raped and pillaged on our way to building the wealthiest society in the history of the world. We&#8217;ve screwed over Native Americans enough, right? Do we really need to cling to a racist sports mascot? (For a far more eloquent take, visit the estimable JoePo&#8217;s archives.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve made clear my feelings on the Cleveland Indians&#8217; logo, Chief Wahoo, before. It&#8217;s racist. It&#8217;s dumb. And it&#8217;s like rubbing salt into the considerable wounds of the many proud Native American cultures we white folks raped and pillaged on our way to building the wealthiest society in the history of the world. We&#8217;ve screwed over Native Americans enough, right? Do we really need to cling to a racist sports mascot? (For a far more eloquent take, visit the estimable JoePo&#8217;s archives.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-25293</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re arguing that it&#039;s not racist you&#039;re not Native. I am  (proud Ojibwa) and it&#039;s offensive. I&#039;m not going shaking angry nor is anyone I know but it&#039;s offensive to US. If it&#039;s not offensive to you angry white right wing blog commenter, sorry, it is to me. So please, stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re arguing that it&#8217;s not racist you&#8217;re not Native. I am  (proud Ojibwa) and it&#8217;s offensive. I&#8217;m not going shaking angry nor is anyone I know but it&#8217;s offensive to US. If it&#8217;s not offensive to you angry white right wing blog commenter, sorry, it is to me. So please, stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-21421</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a friend of mine used to say, â€œItâ€™s surprising they didnâ€™t put a whiskey bottle right next to his head.â€


That one made me laugh out loud, late at night in a quiet house with family members sleeping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a friend of mine used to say, â€œItâ€™s surprising they didnâ€™t put a whiskey bottle right next to his head.â€</p>
<p>That one made me laugh out loud, late at night in a quiet house with family members sleeping.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get rid if the Tribe, get rid of the Browns, and the Cavs.

Cleveland Sports free Town!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get rid if the Tribe, get rid of the Browns, and the Cavs.</p>
<p>Cleveland Sports free Town!</p>
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		<title>By: Willy B</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Willy B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. I couldn&#039;t leave that last post (from Kevin from Ohio in Virgina) as the final comment on this topic. 

Its true. I don&#039;t believe I&#039;ve ever heard an oriole complain about the mascot. I don&#039;t know but, maybe, its because the orioles weren&#039;t subjected to genocide? Or, maybe, its because their birds?

Wahoo is a caricature with a history of racism behind it. Shouldn&#039;t we discourage such things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. I couldn&#8217;t leave that last post (from Kevin from Ohio in Virgina) as the final comment on this topic. </p>
<p>Its true. I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve ever heard an oriole complain about the mascot. I don&#8217;t know but, maybe, its because the orioles weren&#8217;t subjected to genocide? Or, maybe, its because their birds?</p>
<p>Wahoo is a caricature with a history of racism behind it. Shouldn&#8217;t we discourage such things?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin from Ohio in Virginia</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin from Ohio in Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*SIGH*

Chief Wahoo is not an inherently racist symbol.  Chief Wahoo is a cartoon.  He should be no more offensive to real American Indians than &quot;The Bird&quot; is to real Baltimore orioles, the &quot;Philly Phanatic&quot; is to real fans from Philadelphia, &quot;Mister Red&quot; is to real baseballs, &quot;Bugs Bunny&quot; is to real rabbits, and the &quot;San Diego Chicken&quot; is to real chickens.  After all, these are not accurate representations either!  Are these cartoons offensive?  Should they be deemed &quot;inappropriate,&quot; &quot;biased,&quot; or even (gasp!) &quot;hateful&quot;?  Of course not, how silly!  (Wait &#039;til the starfish community catches a glimpse of Patrick from &quot;Spongebob Squarepants.&quot;  I don&#039;t want to be within a mile of that angry mob!)

The knee jerk reactionaries will undoubtedly say, &quot;Well, YOU may not think that Wahoo should be offensive but the fact that Native Americans are offended remains.&quot;  True.  They are still offended, and that&#039;s too bad that they are willing to go through life being offended by a silly cartoon.  As an American with Irish ancestry, am I to be offended by the depiction of my heritage on Lucky Charms boxes, South Bend campuses, and March 17th?  Surely I could be.  You&#039;d think we were just a bunch of balding, fighting, raging alcoholics who wear green all the time, who all have red hair, who all seem to have an obsessive compulsion to wear a derby hat, and who are all very short, skinny, gangly, and somewhat uncoordinated.

To use the term &quot;racist&quot; to describe a team logo is to imply that there is a broad conspiracy in the front office to actively demean the group.  It implies that they actually mean to subjugate a particular group of people.  Ask yourself why they would develop their marketing strategies around a group of people they actively seek to put down (many of whom are potential customers and, thus, sources of revenue).  Ask yourself what they stand to gain from propagating a message of hate.  After all, team owners have a great deal of their own money invested in their franchise.

I would urge the American Indian community to remember that teams do not name themselves for cultures and ethnic communities for which they do not have a great deal of respect and admiration.  They look for team names associated with pride, strength, and virility.  There have been exactly ZERO teams named the &quot;Pansies&quot;, the &quot;Nancy Boys&quot;, the &quot;Sissies&quot;, or the &quot;Broccoli Spears&quot;.  They choose &quot;Indians&quot;, &quot;Braves&quot;, &quot;Ragin&#039; Cajuns&quot;, &quot;49ers&quot;, &quot;Fightin&#039; Irish&quot;, &quot;Trojans&quot;, and many others because they are groups associated with positive qualities.  Geez, who wants to root for the &quot;Latent Apathetics&quot;?  I would also urge them to not seek fault or intent where there clearly is none.  Indians fans are proud to associate themselves with the Native American community - even if it&#039;s only through a silly baseball team.  We&#039;re proud of that name and we&#039;re proud of the silly logo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*SIGH*</p>
<p>Chief Wahoo is not an inherently racist symbol.  Chief Wahoo is a cartoon.  He should be no more offensive to real American Indians than &#8220;The Bird&#8221; is to real Baltimore orioles, the &#8220;Philly Phanatic&#8221; is to real fans from Philadelphia, &#8220;Mister Red&#8221; is to real baseballs, &#8220;Bugs Bunny&#8221; is to real rabbits, and the &#8220;San Diego Chicken&#8221; is to real chickens.  After all, these are not accurate representations either!  Are these cartoons offensive?  Should they be deemed &#8220;inappropriate,&#8221; &#8220;biased,&#8221; or even (gasp!) &#8220;hateful&#8221;?  Of course not, how silly!  (Wait &#8217;til the starfish community catches a glimpse of Patrick from &#8220;Spongebob Squarepants.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t want to be within a mile of that angry mob!)</p>
<p>The knee jerk reactionaries will undoubtedly say, &#8220;Well, YOU may not think that Wahoo should be offensive but the fact that Native Americans are offended remains.&#8221;  True.  They are still offended, and that&#8217;s too bad that they are willing to go through life being offended by a silly cartoon.  As an American with Irish ancestry, am I to be offended by the depiction of my heritage on Lucky Charms boxes, South Bend campuses, and March 17th?  Surely I could be.  You&#8217;d think we were just a bunch of balding, fighting, raging alcoholics who wear green all the time, who all have red hair, who all seem to have an obsessive compulsion to wear a derby hat, and who are all very short, skinny, gangly, and somewhat uncoordinated.</p>
<p>To use the term &#8220;racist&#8221; to describe a team logo is to imply that there is a broad conspiracy in the front office to actively demean the group.  It implies that they actually mean to subjugate a particular group of people.  Ask yourself why they would develop their marketing strategies around a group of people they actively seek to put down (many of whom are potential customers and, thus, sources of revenue).  Ask yourself what they stand to gain from propagating a message of hate.  After all, team owners have a great deal of their own money invested in their franchise.</p>
<p>I would urge the American Indian community to remember that teams do not name themselves for cultures and ethnic communities for which they do not have a great deal of respect and admiration.  They look for team names associated with pride, strength, and virility.  There have been exactly ZERO teams named the &#8220;Pansies&#8221;, the &#8220;Nancy Boys&#8221;, the &#8220;Sissies&#8221;, or the &#8220;Broccoli Spears&#8221;.  They choose &#8220;Indians&#8221;, &#8220;Braves&#8221;, &#8220;Ragin&#8217; Cajuns&#8221;, &#8220;49ers&#8221;, &#8220;Fightin&#8217; Irish&#8221;, &#8220;Trojans&#8221;, and many others because they are groups associated with positive qualities.  Geez, who wants to root for the &#8220;Latent Apathetics&#8221;?  I would also urge them to not seek fault or intent where there clearly is none.  Indians fans are proud to associate themselves with the Native American community &#8211; even if it&#8217;s only through a silly baseball team.  We&#8217;re proud of that name and we&#8217;re proud of the silly logo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/17/wahoo/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason the Tribe lost:

God hates Cleveland sports</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason the Tribe lost:</p>
<p>God hates Cleveland sports</p>
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